This is the Flight Unlimited chat from 2003/03/29. Enjoy!

Session Start: Sat Mar 29 11:56:17 2003
Session Ident: #fu3

[11:56] * Now talking in #fu3
[11:56] * Topic is 'Chat about the great Flight Unlimited series'
[11:56] * Set by biopak on Sat Feb 09 09:55:28
[11:56] * ChanServ sets mode: +o AVSIM_twsimfan
[11:56] [AVSIM_twsimfan] Hi Ansgar... how long you been here?
[11:57] [Ansgar] Ahhh, hello Tom!
[11:57] [Ansgar] soo about 20min.
[11:58] [AVSIM_twsimfan] Well I'm here a couple of min before "official time"... good enough..
[11:58] [Ansgar] seems really early for you he ? ;-)
[11:58] [Ansgar] where is Chris, wouldn´t he be here earlier also?
[11:58] [AVSIM_twsimfan] I'm always here before the "official time"... but now we have moved that time back by a couple of hours....
[11:59] * AVSIM_twsimfan is now known as Tom
[11:59] [Ansgar] :-)
[12:00] [Tom] Ahhh... that feels better... less formal... like removing your tie.
[12:00] [Tom] So how is life with you?
[12:00] [Ansgar] thanks, a bit stressy but OK so far
[12:01] [Ansgar] I just uploaded my racing video at the reno course to the library again, the first upload seems lost
[12:01] [Tom] Yeah... I'm a bit stressed myself... been ill... better now... and the war is stressful... worried about "my Guys"...
[12:01] [Ansgar] have your tried to fly steffens challenge?
[12:02] [Tom] I have to admit that I have never... ever... treid any of the challenges.
[12:03] [Ansgar] you miss sonething if you didn´t have tried it!
[12:03] [Tom] Make that "tried"...
[12:03] [Tom] I'll have to get around to it... need to install the UK scenery and try it out... had it here about a week.
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[12:04] [Quaxo] Hi Ansgar! Hi Ben!!
[12:04] [Ben_C] hi there
[12:04] [Tom] Cristian... good timing... you missed my last line...
[12:04] [Ansgar] Hello cristian! Hello Ben
[12:04] [Tom] Hi Ben
[12:04] [Ben_C] wow, long time since i've been in one of these chats
[12:04] [Ansgar] puhhh 30 min nobody and then all together ;-)
[12:04] [Quaxo] Hello Tom, sorry I didn't see you was here! What was the last line?
[12:05] [Tom] About how I haven't installed UK yet... but don't tell Cristian...
[12:05] [Ansgar] no line... just a friendly Hello between each other!
[12:05] [Quaxo] I'm here just for a short peek - I'll have to go soon. Iìll log on again at 16:00 EST (2 hours from now...)
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[12:05] [Quaxo] Hi Steffen!
[12:05] [Tom] brb
[12:05] [Steffen] hiya foks
[12:05] [Ansgar] Hallo Steffen!!!
[12:06] [Steffen] ansgar is still the racing champ... 509mph only so far...
[12:06] [Quaxo] I still haven't got the "hang" on the Dago red...
[12:07] [Quaxo] I alwais have to "widen" my laps, not to overtake on the inside...
[12:07] [Ansgar] ;-) I just uploaded the race video to the library again, the first upload yesterday failed
[12:07] [Quaxo] I want to try the Hoops2 challenge with the new aircraft! :)
[12:07] [Tom] back
[12:08] [Steffen] Quaxo: i can feel with you - i'm trying for almost 2 weeks now to handle it like ansgar - and don't worry too much about overtaking on the inside,
[12:08] [Ansgar] Cristian, if you never overtook at the inside you never get the top speed ;-)
[12:08] [Steffen] sometimes that just has to be...
[12:08] [Quaxo] Well, I wouldn't like to be disqualified... :-)
[12:09] [Ansgar] no disqualification...only a damaged engine after several overtakes and other "badthings" :-D
[12:09] [Steffen] that the nice thing: you'll only be disqualified for flying too high/too low for too much time, but not for overtaking on the inside
[12:09] [Steffen] ah, i see, ansgar types faster...
[12:09] [Ansgar] *lol*
[12:09] [Quaxo] Damaged engine? Hmmm. Intresting. Sometimes, when I throttle back, it's difficult to have power again... Is that a "penalty"?
[12:10] [Steffen] don't you throttle back! it is race, you forgot?
[12:10] [Steffen] .)
[12:10] [Ansgar] it´s sure the mole jumping into your air intake *ggg*
[12:10] [Quaxo] I know. I throttle back on the last lap, to go to land!!! :-)
[12:10] [Quaxo] Ansgar, what's the "mole"?
[12:11] [Steffen] it might be because of some "avermeyer-fuel-management"?
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[12:11] [Quaxo] I had half tank of fuel...
[12:11] [Tom] Daniel! You are early! lol
[12:11] [Quaxo] Hi Daniel!
[12:11] [Steffen] then that can't be the reason - hm, strange
[12:11] [Stearman] Hi everyone
[12:11] [Steffen] hi daniel
[12:12] [Quaxo] Tom, are you logging the chat this time?
[12:12] [Ansgar] it´s that this nice and small black animal which builds this nice "pyramides of earth" in your garden!
[12:12] [Stearman] Yes, too early to my tastes :-)
[12:12] [Ansgar] hi daniel
[12:12] [Quaxo] Ansgar, I suppose you're talking about something bigger than ants?
[12:13] [Tom] Yes... we have a log running... but it is a mIRC one... old AVSIM_Logbot died.
[12:13] [Quaxo] Ha! I am logging too, today!
[12:13] [Quaxo] I have installed VIRC - a free chat client...
[12:13] [Ansgar] Quaxo: yes...it has the sice of a bigger mouse and makes this long small tunnels under the surface of an garden i.e.
[12:14] [Stearman] I'll stay for a short while... then for dinner. If you are here at the usual time (some of you anyway) I'll be back
[12:14] [Quaxo] Ansgar, understood. I think it's what we call a "talpa"...
[12:14] [Ansgar] in german it´s named "Maulwurf" :-)
[12:15] [Quaxo] Oh, Tom, by the way... You have a huge HD, when are you going to install UK?!? :-)
[12:15] [Steffen] Stearman: thanks for that nice mustang repaint again. did you already see it (and yourself) in action?
[12:16] [Ansgar] Quaxo you should load my viedo of the Reno race...then you understand why I often watch the moles working at their "home" :-)
[12:16] [Tom] I need to... but have had a lot going on in life of late... just had to go out this morning and buy a new washer & dryer... Rhonda broke the old ones...
[12:16] [Stearman] Steffen, unfortunately no. I've had to reload completely my disk C: and not installed FU3 yet
[12:16] [Quaxo] Ansgar, will do! Has it already appeared in the library?
[12:17] [Quaxo] Hey Tom, of course I was only joking!!! :)
[12:17] [Ansgar] yes, I just re-uploaded it and now it was there only a view minutes back, so you can have it at once now
[12:17] [Stearman] Steffen, but I'm glad you found it useful for something :-)
[12:17] [Steffen] Stearman: uh oh, my sympathy for that... when the challenge runs, try to overtake "your" mustang on the inside or try to fly very very close to it...
[12:18] [Tom] Life has been complicated... had some teeth pulled... then a stomach flu which is still a little bit with me... 3.5 feet of snow didn't help.
[12:18] [Quaxo] Ansgar, found it - 469 Kb? It's big!!! Downloading it now...
[12:18] [Stearman] Steffen, tell me more :-)
[12:19] [Ansgar] Yep thats it!
[12:20] [Quaxo] Done! Downloaded it.
[12:20] [Quaxo] It'll be instructive! :-)
[12:20] [Steffen] when you try to overtake a computer mustang on the inside or try to ram it, its pilot will complain via voice and text. and the pilot is the painter of the repaint, that was i nice chnace for credits...
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[12:21] [Quaxo] Hello Chris!
[12:21] [ChrisLow] Wow, a full pack here already !
[12:21] [Ansgar] Hello Chris!
[12:21] [Tom] Chris.... your late! (lol) Hi.
[12:21] [Steffen] hi chris, you're 20minutes late... :)
[12:21] [Ansgar] seems you´re a bit late *ggg*
[12:21] [ChrisLow] I know
[12:21] [Quaxo] Guys, I have to go to dinner now... I'll be back in a couple of hours!
[12:22] [ChrisLow] See you later Cristian
[12:22] [Quaxo] I hope you'll all be still here when I'm back...
[12:22] [Stearman] Steffen, OK, nice touch! :-)
[12:22] [Steffen] Quaxo: guten appetit
[12:22] [Ansgar] are you full recovered Chris?
[12:22] [Tom] Hope you got something good... see ya later...
[12:22] [ChrisLow] You mean from the flu virus ?
[12:22] [Quaxo] Thanks Steffen! :) Bye...
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[12:22] [Ansgar] have a nice dinner cristian
[12:22] [Ansgar] ChrisLow: yes!
[12:22] [ChrisLow] Yes, I am !
[12:23] [Ansgar] very good
[12:23] [Stearman] Ansgar, any current projects re flyable planes? In my eyes you're keeping FU3 alive with those...
[12:23] [ChrisLow] I'm just watching the Players Chapionship on Sky Sports at the moment
[12:24] [ChrisLow] Go on Ansgar, tell him !
[12:24] [Ansgar] Chris+Daniel: to your information I´m working actually at the B747-400 final and it´s coming forward good so far
[12:24] [Tom] brb
[12:25] [Stearman] Ansgar, nice!
[12:25] [Stearman] What about the Baron... are you in touch with Steve for a new panel?
[12:25] [ChrisLow] I wish Faldo would stop messing around
[12:25] [Ansgar] you will see an realistic cockpit of an older B747-400 and this is a very real feeling to fly because it is "round" also with some nice views around!
[12:25] [ChrisLow] What about the disappearing taxi lines, Ansgar ?
[12:26] [Steffen] Ansgar: great news! i'll might have an update of the b747 challenge ready in that time, too
[12:26] [Ansgar] this is still missing, but it will be fixed sure Chris!
[12:26] [ChrisLow] Good
[12:26] [Ansgar] I infomr you at once after I got it working Chris
[12:27] [ChrisLow] Good !
[12:27] [Ansgar] infomr -] inform
[12:27] [Ansgar] the winglets are full texturable now also (from both sides for each winglet)
[12:27] [Tom] Me back... sorry... "my condition" will require frequent trips "down the hall" I'm afraid.
[12:28] [ChrisLow] Union Jacks all around then !
[12:28] [Stearman] Ansgar, I assume you missed my latest question?
[12:28] [Ansgar] Daniel: the Baron is in progress by Hans Petter and Steve only now.
[12:28] [Ansgar] no -] I just wrote the answer ;-)
[12:28] [Stearman] Oops! :-)
[12:29] [Stearman] OK, and... any future projects? (just dreaming)
[12:29] [Ansgar] I helped Steve with the cockpit in the beginning, because he had problems with stability, but that is solved since 3..4 weeks. After that I didn´t heard anything from him
[12:30] [ChrisLow] Keep going Stearman, you might just get there in the end :)
[12:30] [Ansgar] Sure I have a nice idea: I dream of the A400M Airbus transporter...so new that it isn´t build yet and can´t be seen also in FS2002
[12:31] [ChrisLow] I wasn't expecting you to reveal it Ansgar
[12:31] * Stearman dreaming Ansgar would sometime go for a vintage biplane
[12:31] [ChrisLow] Like a...........Stearman perhaps ?
[12:31] [Stearman] Oops, did you read my mind? :-)
[12:32] [ChrisLow] No, you wrote it down !
[12:32] [Ansgar] ;-) :-)
[12:32] [Stearman] Chris, I would neither mind a Tiger Moth or so :-)
[12:32] [ChrisLow] I would LOVE an RAF VC-10 Tanker
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[12:32] [richwren] Evening all
[12:32] [Ansgar] Hello Rich!
[12:33] [Steffen] hi rich
[12:33] [ChrisLow] ....with accurately loud engine sound effects
[12:33] [Ansgar] ...do you have the sounds Chris? *lol*
[12:33] [ChrisLow] No, but I suspect that they will be around somewhere
[12:34] * Steffen is dreaming of a B737 (like the ryan-air one) or a DHC6 Twin-Otter...
[12:34] [ChrisLow] David Maltby has a Rolls Royce Tay sound file on his FS2002 VC-10 website. This has been developed from Avion Video's VC-10 video
[12:35] [ChrisLow] Come to think of it, why don't I have that video ?
[12:35] [Stearman] Ansgar, just let me tell you you've set a new standard with your latest Baron. You've made real something we hadn't even dreamt in FU3.
[12:35] [Ansgar] I think the best is after my B747 final upload I initiate a post to ask which bird is the best to build next then
[12:36] [Steffen] :)
[12:36] [ChrisLow] VC10 Ansgar :)
[12:36] [richwren] May I make a few suggestions? ;-)
[12:36] [ChrisLow] Please do
[12:36] [Stearman] [---- one like this
[12:36] [Ansgar] Steffen thank you very much! It was hard work but it is also pure fun to see this elegant bird now transparent in our "blue skies" :-)
[12:37] [Ansgar] :-)+
[12:37] [Tom] How abouts a C-130 Herc with opening rear doors!?!?
[12:37] [ChrisLow] I can't wait for that new 747. The Beechjet is a bit too easy to fly now :)
[12:37] [Ansgar] it seems we need a bigger "vote list" ?!
[12:38] [richwren] Now that's an idea...
[12:38] [Ansgar] Tom: thats why I would like to build the A400M...it´s a high modern Hercules but much more elegant and another step before "them" ;-)
[12:38] [ChrisLow] Rich, are you ready to reveal your suggestions ?
[12:39] [richwren] Sorry, got distracted by dinner....
[12:39] [ChrisLow] Yes, and the A400M is European Ansgar ! :)
[12:39] [Tom] Yes but the C-130 with those big, fat props is a classic.
[12:39] [richwren] Something like a Mosquito would be fun.
[12:39] [Tom] Granted.
[12:39] [richwren] PBY Catalina?
[12:39] [ChrisLow] One problem. It's a taildragger
[12:40] [ChrisLow] The Mosquite was a damn fine plane though
[12:40] [Tom] I would have mentioned the PBY... but every time I do I get shouted down.
[12:40] [ChrisLow] Mosquito
[12:40] [Tom] Great bird! :)
[12:40] [Steffen] what about the do-x? or the seastar?
[12:40] [richwren] I might have to look those up...
[12:41] [richwren] That seastar is a pretty looking plane.
[12:41] [Steffen] the do-x was the biggest flying boat of 1929 with 12 tandem engines
[12:41] [ChrisLow] Can FU3 support that many engines ?
[12:41] [Tom] OK Ansgar... you have your list... think you can have them done by this time on Thrusday? (just joking... really)
[12:41] [Ansgar] Steffen I know that exactly, because my RC-club has it´s name :-)
[12:41] [ChrisLow] I'll second that, Tom :)
[12:41] [Steffen] :)
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[12:42] * ChanServ sets mode: +o AVSIM_Robert_S
[12:42] [AVSIM_Robert_S] Howdy.
[12:42] [Tom] Hey Bob... good to see you!
[12:42] [ChrisLow] Er........the "boss" has arrived
[12:42] [Ansgar] Hello Bob
[12:42] [AVSIM_Robert_S] I was on "old" schedule... 16:00EST.
[12:42] [richwren] Howdy.
[12:42] [ChrisLow] Been eating any smoked salmon lately, Bob ?
[12:42] [Steffen] Ansgar: i found out during the last week that i'll definetely will never become a RC flyer... :( F8 view geht absolut garnicht, i'm killing myself...
[12:43] [Stearman] Ansgar, as mentioned, I would die for *any* vintage biplane, but the essential thing is you keep coming with new creations. As long as you do, I'll stick to FU3. Otherwise... well, I don't know.
[12:43] [AVSIM_Robert_S] Greetings to ALL!
[12:43] [Stearman] Hi Bob!!
[12:43] [AVSIM_Robert_S] No, Chris. Just had some raisins.
[12:43] [ChrisLow] Yuck !
[12:44] [AVSIM_Robert_S] Hi Daniel!
[12:44] [Ansgar] Daniel! Don´t think about!! We are working double now...have you had a look at Jon Points great creation?!
[12:44] [Stearman] The Gee Bee?
[12:44] [ChrisLow] The Dash 8 ?
[12:44] [Ansgar] Dash 8!
[12:45] [AVSIM_Robert_S] Might as well do this right... Heelo Tom, Chris, Ansgar, Ben, Rich, Steffen, Daniel again, and our ol' bud LogBot.
[12:45] [Stearman] Yeah, I saw the post in the forum.
[12:45] [AVSIM_Robert_S] Heelo? HELLO.
[12:45] [Ansgar] :-)
[12:45] [Tom] We have prounounced AVSIM_Logbot as DOA.
[12:45] [AVSIM_Robert_S] I can say this....
[12:45] [ChrisLow] Cristian's currently having dinner Bob, so say Hi to him also :)
[12:45] [AVSIM_Robert_S] Broadband is WAY FUN. :-)
[12:46] [Stearman] Bob, fortunately you said you'd do it "well" (oops, did I say that?)
[12:46] [AVSIM_Robert_S] Hmmm... name change needed here.
[12:46] * AVSIM_Robert_S is now known as FlyBert
[12:46] [Stearman] Much better
[12:46] [FlyBert] :-)
[12:46] [Ansgar] Ahhhh
[12:47] [ChrisLow] Where is Ben_C ?
[12:47] [FlyBert] Went from dial-up to DSL last Monday, and it's grand.
[12:47] [Tom] Yeah... I took my "coat & tie" off after about 5 min.
[12:47] [FlyBert] Screenshots don't take all afternoon.
[12:47] [Tom] They do if they are on AVSIM.
[12:47] [ChrisLow] Neither do "downloads" !!!!!
[12:47] [FlyBert] Been laffing myself silly, Tom...
[12:48] [Ansgar] ....I can´t have DSL because too far away... :-(
[12:48] [FlyBert] I downloaded the Dodge truck for Rally Trophy...
[12:48] [FlyBert] It'll beat *anything*... even Stag. :-)
[12:48] [Tom] The dynamics that good?
[12:48] [FlyBert] Apparently it's a NASCAR truck... seems like about 750 horsepower. ::snicker::
[12:49] [Tom] How does it hold the road?
[12:49] [ChrisLow] Do you lot have Steering Wheels for these racing games ?
[12:49] [Stearman] Tom, did you get my latest e-mail re the 9700?
[12:49] [Tom] Not me.
[12:49] [FlyBert] Excellent. ::heeheehee::
[12:49] [Steffen] right guys, i'll be heading off for diner and some more prep work, too. i'll be back in 3 hours - then we have the sunday with free surfing...
[12:49] [Tom] Daniel... how recent?
[12:49] [FlyBert] Seeya Steffen!
[12:49] [ChrisLow] back in two minutes........
[12:50] [Stearman] Tom, March 17th
[12:50] [Tom] Have something good...
[12:50] [Ansgar] Tschüß Steffen!!!
[12:50] [Ansgar] Und paß auf die Maulwürfe auf!
[12:50] [Stearman] Bye Steffen
[12:50] [Tom] The one where you said that you would wait for your next system?
[12:50] [Stearman] Yep, you did :-)
[12:51] * Steffen opens the plane door. the sound of the wind and the cold rushes in. he sticks his head out, checks the spot once more. then he leaps out and...
[12:51] * Steffen has quit IRC (Quit: Client Exiting)
[12:51] [Tom] Sorry... guess I owe you a mail... several to Bob...
[12:51] [Stearman] Tom, you don't owe me anything. Just wanted to make sure you had it, that's all :-)
[12:52] [FlyBert] Bob has a HUGE pile of mail in his SENT folder that are waiting for response. ;)
[12:54] [Ansgar] Bob have you tried the challenge of Steffen...as "old" car racer this must interets you!
[12:54] [Tom] Bottom line... the 9700 Pro is a great card... but Evo2 is very good... but not good enough to get a $400 card just to run it.
[12:54] [Stearman] Well, I'm heading for dinner and some family time :-) I'm quite likely to be back here at *my* usual time schedule, though. Hope to see you here then!
[12:54] [FlyBert] Actually, I removed a bunch yesterday... old stuff.
[12:54] [FlyBert] No, not yet, Ansgar. But I surely will soon!
[12:54] [Ansgar] :-)
[12:54] [Stearman] Tom, OK, that was my point :-)
[12:54] [Tom] Well Bob... the situation "has" been the other way around a few times.
[12:54] [richwren] At the risk of repeating what's been said before, does anyone know when Jon is planning on releasing the Dash-8?
[12:54] [FlyBert] [==big on air racing, went to the Mojave AirRaces twice.
[12:55] [Tom] :)
[12:55] [FlyBert] Yeah, I know, Tom. That's why I tossed a bunch, no big deal.
[12:55] [FlyBert] Seeya later, Daniel!
[12:56] [Tom] Daniel I have been tempted to try Evo2 tracks in MTM2... see if I can make them work.
[12:56] [ChrisLow] Bye Daniel
[12:56] [Ansgar] Rich I know he is working hard on it...but it sure will need it´s time to build such a plane complete ;-)
[12:56] [Ansgar] bye Daniel
[12:56] [richwren] Heh, as I'm finding out Ansgar...
[12:56] [richwren] Seeya Daniel.
[12:56] [Tom] CU Daniel...
[12:57] [ChrisLow] Where is Ben_C ?
[12:57] [Stearman] Bye all, hope to see you here (some anyway) in about two hours
[12:57] * Stearman has quit IRC (Quit: )
[12:58] [Ben_C] hi Chris, sorry, i was eating
[12:58] [ChrisLow] Ahhh
[12:58] [Ansgar] Rich the first shot´s he presented looks really good...and he is reaching my level very close ;-)
[12:59] [Ansgar] sure it´s a problem to talk with more than 400g in the mouth ;-)
[12:59] [richwren] I saw the shots and they look really good. Hence my impatience :-)
[12:59] [FlyBert] Has Cristian (Quaxo) been here yet?
[12:59] [ChrisLow] It just needs a BRITISH livery :)
[12:59] [Ansgar] good thing´s need their time ... as allways
[12:59] [ChrisLow] Yes
[13:00] [ChrisLow] He is currently being served dinner
[13:00] [FlyBert] I'm so overdue on mail to Cristian that I should HIDE.
[13:00] [ChrisLow] Spaghetti Bolognese probably.........
[13:00] * FlyBert is embarrassed.
[13:00] [richwren] Being served dinner? Lucky him.
[13:01] [ChrisLow] Yeah...........at Pizza Hut
[13:01] [FlyBert] Oh... sumpin be blinking!
[13:01] [ChrisLow] Oh dear
[13:02] [Ansgar] sumpin? what that???
[13:02] [ChrisLow] That's American for "something" :)
[13:03] [Ansgar] ahhhh..... sorry I have to learn "this specials"
[13:03] [ChrisLow] Well, I assume that's what it means
[13:03] [FlyBert] I guess I should speak English here, and not Californian. :)
[13:04] [Ansgar] it´s enough if you WRITE english here *ggg*
[13:05] [FlyBert] I'm still rying to learn "internet"... stuff like "w00t".
[13:05] [FlyBert] *trying
[13:05] [FlyBert] (Got a new keyboard on order!)
[13:05] [ChrisLow] Don't bother Bob
[13:05] [FlyBert] (I'm actually not, Chris.)
[13:05] [FlyBert] (FAR too old for that.)
[13:05] [ChrisLow] It's garbage like "internet speak" that will ruin the English language
[13:06] [FlyBert] Exactly.
[13:06] [FlyBert] What's left after us Americans trampled it. :)
[13:07] [ChrisLow] Well, you are rather good at taking over other people's property !!!
[13:07] [FlyBert] Hey, it wasn't me!
[13:07] [FlyBert] I'm Norwegian anyways. :)
[13:08] [FlyBert] Oh yeah... the Revolutionary War... and you're British.
[13:08] * FlyBert hides
[13:08] [ChrisLow] I was thinking of quite a few wars actually Bob :)
[13:09] [FlyBert] Like ustaking over France, hm?
[13:09] [Tom] Careful Chris... the moderators aren't in the mood iffn you be a BBC type.
[13:09] [FlyBert] Best I NOT bring up France.
[13:09] [ChrisLow] Is that where you're heading next ?
[13:09] [FlyBert] (I was right.)
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[13:11] [FlyBert] Howdy Chris!
[13:11] [FlyBert] (The new one.)
[13:11] [ChrisD] good day friend
[13:11] [Ansgar] hello Chris
[13:12] [ChrisD] have you seen quaxo yet,?
[13:12] [ChrisLow] Yes
[13:12] [Ansgar] Cristian is out for lunch
[13:12] [ChrisD] he is going to join, sometime :)
[13:12] [Tom] He will be back in a bit.
[13:13] [ChrisD] oh as we say, bon apetite :)
[13:13] [ChrisD] flybert, how are things in LA?
[13:14] [FlyBert] Kinda warm, but maybe rain next Thursday?
[13:14] [FlyBert] How they can predictrain 5 days ahead of time is absuurd. [13:14] [FlyBert] At least around here.
[13:14] [ChrisLow] The weather's been amzingly good in Britain for several weeks
[13:14] [ChrisLow] amazingly
[13:15] [Ansgar] second that Chris in german also!
[13:15] [ChrisD] same here. sunny for the last week or so,
[13:15] [ChrisLow] We were supposed to have rain yesterday, but even THAT couldn't be bothered to turn up !
[13:15] [Tom] We had 3.5 feet of snow in a few hours... it warmed and that all melted... got another storm... only good for about 3 inches... that melted... have the front door open... nice day today.
[13:15] [ChrisD] some fog in the mornings, but quite warm for the season
[13:16] [ChrisD] CrisLow, You have had Your share of rain, so be happy :)
[13:16] [ChrisLow] Oh, I dodn't WANT it to turn up
[13:16] [ChrisLow] didn't
[13:16] [ChrisLow] I must improve my quick typing........
[13:16] [ChrisD] :)
[13:17] [ChrisD] i got the same problem, must be a keyboard error
[13:22] [Tom] Did everybody go to sleep?
[13:22] [ChrisD] no, i am working
[13:23] [richwren] Nope, I'm eating pizza and watching Futurama.
[13:23] [FlyBert] Gotta go tend to mom... back shortly.
[13:24] [Ansgar] Rich did you noticed above that the new B747 has texturable winglets now?
[13:24] [ChrisD] ok give my regards to Your mom form me flybert
[13:25] [richwren] New 747? Since when?
[13:25] [Ansgar] it´s still in the progress but the winglets are finished now
[13:25] [richwren] I know I've been a bit busy over the last week but I'm sure I'd have noticed that...
[13:25] [richwren] Ah. Good.
[13:25] [ChrisLow] I have just been moving each of the house clocks forward one hour
[13:26] [richwren] Will all the fusalage texures remain the same (ie size and position)?
[13:26] [ChrisD] that is a little too early, is it not? :)
[13:26] [Ansgar] Heheh Chris aren´t you a bit early with that *lol*
[13:26] [ChrisLow] several hours, but who cares ?
[13:26] [Tom] More like a few weeks?
[13:27] [ChrisD] if we chct long enough, You will be quite right..
[13:27] [ChrisLow] No, tonight is the night Tom
[13:27] [Tom] UK must be different... not until sometime in April here.
[13:27] [ChrisLow] It's always the last Sunday in March here
[13:28] [ChrisD] The whole of EU actually
[13:28] [Ansgar] Yep!
[13:28] [ChrisLow] Anyway Tom, you can't move to "Daylight Saving Time" yet........you're still getting snow !
[13:28] [ChrisD] snow, where??
[13:28] [Tom] Hmmm... didn't know that... It was different when I was there... but that was in the dark ages.
[13:29] [richwren] I'd mention that since the world uses GMT as it's standard that we're right and the US is wrong
[13:29] [Tom] We can get snow here until early May.
[13:29] [richwren] But I'm sure I'd get booted for that.
[13:29] [ChrisLow] Of course we're right....but it's more correctly UT (Universal Time)
[13:30] [ChrisD] shal we say UTC? ;)
[13:30] [ChrisLow] Universal Time Chris ? Yes, that sounds good
[13:31] [Ansgar] :-)
[13:31] [ChrisD] Sorry, but i do not want to take credit :)
[13:31] [ChrisLow] Be my guest. I however, will take credit :)
[13:31] [ChrisD] there maight actually be some fractoins of a second diff from UTC to GMT
[13:32] [ChrisLow] I'm hardly going to lose sleep over it
[13:32] [ChrisD] i really need a ney keyboard... :(
[13:32] [ChrisLow] Well, not more than a fraction of a second anyway :)
[13:32] [Tom] My keyboard is fine... need new fingers.
[13:32] [ChrisD] see it canno even write new
[13:33] [ChrisLow] Whet ?
[13:33] [ChrisD] i am going to dig myself a hole for my keyboard.
[13:33] [Tom] (Just teasing!)
[13:33] [ChrisD] :)
[13:34] [Tom] I'm on my 2nd of 11 days off... hope to get FU updated during that time.
[13:34] [ChrisD] what have you got in mind?
[13:35] [ChrisD] what news i meant
[13:35] [Ansgar] Tom It´s sure a nice feeling to see the UK-south scenery in that quality
[13:35] [Tom] Got to get UK installed... get all my planes up to date... get my main flight joy stick working properly.
[13:35] [Tom] Will I need to reinstall FU3?
[13:36] [ChrisD] sound like a few hours time ahead of you
[13:36] [Ansgar] I´m very happy to see all this developers working hard for the new terrain!!!
[13:36] [ChrisLow] I'll probably be crucified for this (particularly by Cristian), but........I'm finding it hard to get motivated towards the UK scenery
[13:36] [Ansgar] Tom normaly you didn´t need a reinstall of FU3
[13:36] [ChrisLow] It's a great piece of scenery, but the problem is that I am a bit of a perfectionist
[13:36] [Tom] I have the outter terain installed... does that make a difference?
[13:37] [ChrisLow] That means that I really only enjoy something when it is 100 per cent complete, and in FULL working order.
[13:38] [Ansgar] I have it also and actually didn´t have a problem...but I didn´t have all the latest addons and airports. So that may become to an problem.
[13:38] [ChrisLow] That's why I hardly did any flying during the entire time that I was developing all of the airport and scenery upgrade packages for the Seattle and SanFran regions
[13:38] [ChrisD] if you have outter terrain installed you may see some land outside the uk-south region.
[13:38] [ChrisLow] I just didn't want to fly around scenery that I considered to be only half complete
[13:39] [ChrisD] ChrisLow, that was quite an achievement. nice work..
[13:39] [richwren] You'll get to see the infamous Northern France mountain range.
[13:39] [Tom] I will probably concentrate on those parts I know... London... Brighton... Dover... etc...
[13:39] [ChrisLow] Even now, whenever I find something that annoys me, I just have to put it right before I can continue !
[13:40] [ChrisD] that is just like me, but sometime we miss the fun because of this
[13:40] [ChrisLow] Little things like AI pathways that aren't quite aligned with the taxiways just annoy the hell out of me :)
[13:40] [ChrisLow] I can't argue with that
[13:40] [richwren] Personally I like adding new things to the region and exploring them individually.
[13:41] [richwren] The lighthouses that were added to UK-South were a prime example, I spend ages flying around hunting them all.
[13:41] [ChrisD] sometime i run ito things i can see is not right, but i do not know how to fix it, that is worse.
[13:41] [ChrisLow] I used to like doing that with MSFS, but then I realised that all I was doing was downloading new scenery...and new aircraft. I wasn't doing any FLYING !
[13:42] [ChrisLow] Chris, can you give me any examples ?
[13:42] [ChrisLow] I have been constantly tweaking and adding ever since I released Seattle 2002 and SanFran 2002
[13:43] [ChrisD] i will let you know when and if i run over something in these two regions..
[13:43] [ChrisD] however you have done a lot, so it will be difficult to find anything
[13:44] [ChrisD] specially because i do not live there, so how do i know how it looks for real :)?
[13:44] [Ansgar] the only things I miss a bit in UK are some nice and bigger mountains... ;-)
[13:45] [ChrisD] that we have to ask andre for..
[13:45] [ChrisD] he is the one in charge of the mesh
[13:45] [ChrisLow] It isn't necessarily total reality that I am looking for. I simply want something to look good.......and FEEL good. The original sloppy taxiways and AI pathways in the Seattle region were totally unacceptable to me
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[13:45] [Tom] Ansgar... South UK does not have a lot of mountains! In Colorado we have mountains.
[13:46] [Ansgar] Chris thats a joke ... it´s not the problem to build them ... there are no bigger ones
[13:46] [ChrisD] btw. have any of you seen the ugly mesh included in the uk vfr scenery for msfs?
[13:46] [richwren] Maybe once the terrain pushes into Wales you'll get some big hills...
[13:46] [ChrisD] wales, in the works shortly, maybe ;)
[13:46] [ChrisLow] You really need a much higher resolution mesh for the UK scenery
[13:47] [Tom] ChrisD... I have some hi-res mesh installed for the US and it's islands.
[13:47] [ChrisLow] Back in two minutes
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[13:47] [Ansgar] Tom I know...but that´s why I miss them
[13:47] [ChrisD] tom, try aproaching lands end from st. marys, you will see walls of water lol
[13:48] [ChrisD] msfs does not even have textures for st. marys
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[13:48] [ChrisD] that is generic land, ugly
[13:48] [Tom] Ansgar I get mountains every day... here... but miss the Washington State ones... it will always be "home" for me.
[13:49] [Tom] brb
[13:49] [ChrisD] oh yes, you 'migrated' south, i remember :)
[13:50] [Ansgar] Yes what we need is a big server with all that nice satellite pics of terrain for: US, germany, asian, russia and ...
[13:51] [ChrisD] you have, but they want CASH!...:(
[13:51] [Ansgar] cash is not enough...they also forbit to transfer it to others
[13:52] [ChrisD] i have seen swedflight include arial photos of stockholm, where did they get these?
[13:52] [Ansgar] annnd no talk about that amount of CD´s or better DVD´s we need to place all this scenery then ... ;-)
[13:53] [ChrisD] just pict a new 200 gig, that will get you a long way..
[13:54] [Ansgar] 200gigabyte ??? Sure that gives a little room ... ;-)
[13:54] [ChrisD] the whole of england at 4.5 meters/pixel at 6.4 gigs, is that bad?
[13:54] [Tom] Back... South and a lot East...
[13:55] [ChrisD] outside denver, if i am not mistaken, right?
[13:55] [Tom] Correct... about 15 miles NW.
[13:56] [Tom] (from Denver)
[13:56] [ChrisD] i thought i remember from out chat in 'cheese unlimited' some time ago :)
[13:57] [ChrisLow] I'm just about to take a bite of a nice piece of Lancashire
[13:57] [ChrisD] here we go 'lol' :)
[13:57] [ChrisLow] cheese that is :)
[13:59] [Tom] As touchy as my digestive system has been these last few days.. not a good idea.
[14:00] [ChrisD] tom, what have you done to your stomach?
[14:00] [Ansgar] I thought you didn´t fly around the Reno course ?!
[14:01] [Tom] Wish I knew... a flu I guess... not real fun... that is why I keep "brb-ing"... got to trot "down the hall"...
[14:01] [Ansgar] seems you trained some "hidden" rounds ?
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[14:01] [Tom] HI again Cristian...
[14:02] [Quaxo] Hello again!!
[14:02] [ChrisD] seems that you are not the only one catching fly this time of the year.
[14:02] [Ansgar] I know this flu from a lot of people also around me
[14:02] [ChrisD] hi cristian
[14:02] [Quaxo] Hi Chris! :)
[14:02] [ChrisLow] Hi Cristian
[14:02] [Tom] Be glad you are not a diabetic like Bob & I... you catch everything that comes along.
[14:02] [Ansgar] hi Cristian, have you had enough?
[14:03] [ChrisLow] Enjoy your pizza ? :)
[14:03] [Quaxo] Yes Ansgar, quite more than enough! :)
[14:03] [Ansgar] ;-)
[14:03] [Quaxo] Pizza, Chris? You think that Italians only eat pizza?
[14:03] [Quaxo] I haven't eaten one in months...
[14:03] [ChrisLow] What then ? Fish and chips ? :):):)
[14:04] [Quaxo] Pasta! :) And cheese. And chocolate!
[14:04] [Ansgar] not only ...the second are pasta ;-)
[14:04] [ChrisLow] Pasta ? And there was I thinking that you were going to say something "non Italian"
[14:04] [Quaxo] Have you guys been talking about something else than food in these two hours? :D
[14:05] [ChrisLow] No
[14:05] [Ansgar] Win!
[14:05] [ChrisD] a little, but not much :)
[14:05] [ChrisLow] cheese, smoked salmon, pizza........
[14:05] [Quaxo] Chris, actually, the cheese was Geitost (definitely non-Italian)...
[14:05] [Tom] We get a lot of TV commercials here for a restuarant chain... two fake Italian guys swooning over their "great" pasta dishes...
[14:05] [Ansgar] we only talked about how long it stay in your stomach once you fly my Reno video ;-)
[14:06] [ChrisLow] I seem to remember reading an entire essay on raisins by Bob.......
[14:06] [Quaxo] Ansgar, well, I'm glad I still didn't watch it then! :-o
[14:06] [Ansgar] :-D
[14:07] [ChrisLow] Where is Bob anyway ?
[14:07] [Quaxo] Tom, my father has been in the USA for some months years ago - he went oncce in one of those fake restaurants. He just couldn't eat anything!
[14:07] [Tom] Taking care of his mom... and was going to get some lunch while he was at it.
[14:08] [Tom] I make my own spaghetti...
[14:08] [Quaxo] Really Tom? Where did you learn making them?
[14:08] [Quaxo] Making spaghetti is a "fine art", you know! :)
[14:09] [Tom] I had an Italian girlfriend in my youth.
[14:09] [Quaxo] :)
[14:09] [Ansgar] *lol*
[14:09] [Ansgar] I assume tomorrow you "creat" a nice PASTA ?
[14:10] [Quaxo] Christian, have you tried installing VIRC?
[14:10] [Tom] Only I use a bit more meat in the sauce than she did.
[14:10] [Ansgar] -] create
[14:10] [Quaxo] Tom, the pasta "dressing" is really a matter of taste - you can put in whatever you like...
[14:11] [ChrisD] VIRC? was that me?
[14:11] [Quaxo] Ansgar, I usually eat pasta twice a day - at lunch and dinner... Only rarely we replace it with something else! :)
[14:11] [Ansgar] :D
[14:11] [Quaxo] Christian, yes, I told you about it during our "unofficial" chat... Did you forget? :)
[14:11] [Quaxo] VIRC = Visual IRC
[14:11] [ChrisD] got it, sorr something same in the way
[14:11] [ChrisLow] What do you eat for breakfast ? Coco Pops ?
[14:11] [ChrisD] y
[14:12] [ChrisD] put the y where it belongs please.
[14:12] [Quaxo] Chris, no - We have Coco pops but I don't like them. Just milk, or tea, with biscuits... Or bread with marmalade or chocolate! :)
[14:13] [Quaxo] Christian, so you're still with web-chat?
[14:13] [ChrisLow] So you like chocolate then ?
[14:13] [Quaxo] Chris: Yes! A LOT!
[14:13] [Ansgar] hmmm isn´t it a bit too much chocolate...seems to overcome the pasta...?
[14:13] [ChrisD] yes, and on the 'other' slow machine at that
[14:13] [ChrisLow] Would this be Italian chocolate, or a nice block of Cadbury's Dairy Milk ?
[14:14] [Quaxo] Ansgar, chocolate is about quality, not quantity - a single bit of chocolate is enough, while pasta, er, I need a full dish!
[14:14] [ChrisLow] I had some Tagliatelle the other day. Very nice
[14:14] [Quaxo] Chris, never heard of Cadbury's - I have italian or swiss chocolates. And Nutella of course! You know it?
[14:14] [Ansgar] and that we should believe..?
[14:14] [ChrisLow] Oh yes
[14:15] [richwren] Hey, I go away for five minutes, by the time I get back you're all talking about food and Cristian has turned up.
[14:15] [ChrisLow] I remember the Dutch putting that on toast for breakfast in the 70's !
[14:15] [Quaxo] Oh, Chris, while in England, I tasted - and liked - your Digestive's chocolate biscuits...
[14:15] [ChrisD] my ps ran out tuesday, so i had to install the works again to get another 30 days
[14:15] [Quaxo] Hi Rich! :)
[14:15] [richwren] Hi Cristian!
[14:16] [richwren] So how's things going?
[14:16] [Quaxo] Christian, PS=paintshop?
[14:16] [ChrisD] photoshop 7.0
[14:16] [ChrisLow] I loved Gypsy creams when they were available, but I haven't seen them for a long time.........the packet version in the shops that is
[14:16] [Quaxo] Rich, we talk about food! I don't remember a single chat about FU3 (or aircraft!)
[14:17] [ChrisLow] That's because you wandered off for your pasta, Cristian !
[14:17] [ChrisD] we had some while you were away, right crislow? ;)
[14:17] [richwren] This is only my second, but I seem to remember there being at least some aircraft last time :-)
[14:17] [ChrisLow] Yes Chris, and its a rarity
[14:17] [ChrisLow] it's
[14:17] [Quaxo] Hm... What did you talk about then?
[14:17] [ChrisLow] FU3
[14:18] [ChrisD] :)
[14:18] [Tom] I seem to remember that we tasked Ansgar with out list of "must have" aircraft a while ago.
[14:18] [Tom] :)
[14:18] [richwren] Fairey Swordfish.
[14:18] [ChrisLow] Remember Ansgar, we want them by next Thursday
[14:18] [Ansgar] not earlier???
[14:18] [ChrisLow] I have things to do first :)
[14:18] [Tom] Earlier is acceptable.
[14:18] [Tom] ;-)
[14:19] [Quaxo] Ansgar, then here's my wish - I want a S-55... But I'm willing to wait a couple of weeks! :)
[14:19] [Ansgar] I have them read on wednesday.....but I just think about of which year ? :D
[14:19] [FlyBert] I'm back.
[14:19] [FlyBert] Howdy Cristian!
[14:19] [Quaxo] Howdy Bob!
[14:19] [Ansgar] Hi Rob
[14:19] [Tom] 'bout time.
[14:19] [ChrisLow] I do believe that 2003 was the choice made by the rest of us
[14:20] [FlyBert] I've actually got a mail *started* to you... about gjetost and the post vards.
[14:20] [Ansgar] :D
[14:20] [ChrisD] flybert, did you say hi to your mom from me?
[14:20] [FlyBert] vrds? CARDS!
[14:20] [Quaxo] Bob, :) Started. eh? !!
[14:20] [FlyBert] Got delayed by a phone call from Switzerland.
[14:21] [ChrisLow] I could do with some chocolate........
[14:21] [FlyBert] Yeah... I should hide my head in shame that it's not mailed yet. :(
[14:21] [Quaxo] Oh yes Bob! Shame on you!!! :) (Only joking of course...)
[14:21] [ChrisLow] I have a nice Easter Egg upstairs with a couple of Cadbury's Flakes
[14:22] [ChrisLow] You do all know what a Cadbury's Flake is ?
[14:22] [FlyBert] No, I didn't, Chris... but I will.
[14:22] [richwren] Only too well Chris :-)
[14:22] [FlyBert] "HEY MOM!" ;)
[14:22] [ChrisD] tnx.
[14:22] [ChrisD] :)
[14:22] [ChrisLow] They used to make some CRACKING adverts about Cadbury's Flakes :)
[14:23] [Quaxo] Chris, will you tell us what those flakes are? :)
[14:23] [FlyBert] I had to explain to my uncle in Zermatt how an inkjet printer works.
[14:23] [FlyBert] (Don't ask.)
[14:24] [ChrisLow] Rippled chocolate
[14:24] [Tom] So Chris... you like Cadbury's... why don't you model the Cadbury's on Fisherman's whorf in the SF scenery?
[14:24] [ChrisLow] When you bite it, the chocolate "flakes" or crumbles in your mouth......and over the floor !
[14:24] [richwren] To what level of detail? "It throws ink dots at the paper" or deeper?
[14:24] [FlyBert] That's about it, Rich.
[14:25] [ChrisLow] What is the "Cadbury's" on Fisherman's Wharf
[14:25] [FlyBert] The actual subject was refilling inkjet cartridges.
[14:25] [Ansgar] what´s more colorfull the cartridges or his hands?
[14:25] [FlyBert] I don't, he does, but he has a prehistoric Apple StyleWriter, with half-inch jets.
[14:26] [Tom] They have a chocolate factory/store on the whorf... huge Cadbury's sign... can be seen for miles.
[14:26] [FlyBert] Black only... hands AND the printer, the carts, the table, the floors, etc.
[14:26] [Ansgar] :D
[14:26] [Quaxo] Bob, a phone call from Switzerland for such a subject... he could as well have hired a technician!
[14:26] [richwren] Refilling ink cartridges. Not something to be done indoors...
[14:27] [ChrisLow] The problem is that there are already a lot of packages in that area, and you know the freeze problem that causes !
[14:27] [Quaxo] Rich, why, no chance for a clean job? I was thinking about refilling my cartridge..
. [14:27] [FlyBert] No... he's trying to tell ME what to do. (Insert :-roll here)
[14:28] [richwren] Well the opportunities for chaos are quite high but I wouldn't recommend against it. Make sure you've got plenty of newspaper around.
[14:29] [ChrisD] diy refill, what you save on ink, you have to pay to get your carpet cleaned, so where is the savings? :)
[14:29] [FlyBert] And if you plug the inkjets (highly possible), you get to buy a new printer.
[14:30] [Quaxo] Christian, 1 cartridge = 45 Euro; 1 refill = 20 euro, good for 5 cartridges... :)
[14:30] [FlyBert] Which costs less than the carts, so no big deal. :)
[14:30] [richwren] Heh. Not to be done in front of children or animals :)
[14:30] [Quaxo] Bob, I have an HP - the cartridge carries the head. So if you ruin the head, you just buy a new cartridge...
[14:31] [Tom] With one of my dogs... Holly... it wouldn't show.
[14:31] [ChrisD] expensive cartridges, is it not?
[14:31] [Quaxo] Christian, a set of 2 cartridges - 1 black+1 color - costs 80 Euro. The new printer, INCLUDING 2 cartridges, costs 60 Euro. :)
[14:32] [ChrisD] that is how they make profit ..
[14:32] [FlyBert] Ah, same with my uncle, Cristian... head in cartridge.
[14:32] [FlyBert] My Epson, no, head in printer.
[14:32] [ChrisLow] Mmm, Belgian chocolates
[14:32] [Quaxo] Bob, that's nice when you need to clean the head. You just remove the cart, clean the head, and put it back on.
[14:32] [richwren] Mmmm, Pringles.
[14:33] [FlyBert] Same here, Cristian... a new printer with both carts is less than two carts. Weird.
[14:33] [Quaxo] Once I had to clean the head of an Epson, it was a mess... Half a day of work.
[14:33] [Quaxo] Had to disassemble the whole printer!
[14:33] [ChrisD] ink unlimited, right?
[14:33] [Ansgar] friends I must leave you now...it´s getting late and we have a short night (1 hour less) here
[14:34] [FlyBert] Having that done by a technician would be MORE money tha a new printer.
[14:34] [richwren] Before you go Ansgar.
[14:34] [ChrisLow] Epson Stylus C42 Plus.......insert ink cartridge......then use. Simple
[14:34] [Ansgar] ?
[14:34] [FlyBert] Take care, Ansgar!
[14:34] [richwren] Are the fuselage textures on the 747 the same size still?
[14:34] [Tom] Sorry to see you go... but glad you were here... have a nice night! :)
[14:34] [Quaxo] Bye Ansgar! Good (short) night! :)
[14:34] [ChrisLow] Bye Ansgar
[14:34] [ChrisD] bye ansgar, sleep tight ;)
[14:35] [Ansgar] Rich I´m not sure so far I assume I reassemble the fuselage textures to make them squared because I must rebuild so much other textures also
[14:35] [Ansgar] but they will be easy to transpfer
[14:35] [richwren] Well OK then, I'll hang on before doing any more work on that.
[14:36] [richwren] Cheers and goodight.
[14:36] [Ansgar] better you do...I can send you the sources once they are finished.
[14:36] [richwren] Excellent :-)
[14:36] [Ansgar] Ciao!
[14:36] [richwren] Toodle-loo.
[14:36] [Ansgar] Good night to all of you and have a nice chat!
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[14:37] [Quaxo] Bye Ansgar! See you in the forum!
[14:38] [Quaxo] Christian, how's your conversion work going?
[14:39] [ChrisD] just got ps up again, a new aim-sequense has got me up to 120 per hour :)
[14:39] [Quaxo] Now that's more manageable than 50! :)
[14:39] [ChrisD] had to reinstall xp all over again...
[14:39] [Quaxo] Why?
[14:40] [ChrisD] to erase the ps tryout period, you nedd to flush your drive totally..
[14:40] [richwren] Ouch.
[14:40] [ChrisD] i do not have the 609 us dollars for a full version.
[14:41] [richwren] Where do they store the time setting then?
[14:41] [ChrisD] yep, hnx
[14:42] [ChrisD] tnx. :)
[14:42] [richwren] Incidentally, have you tried the Gimp for Windows? It's supposed to be almost as good as Photoshop.
[14:42] [Tom] brb
[14:42] [FlyBert] Probably something in the Registry.
[14:43] [ChrisD] yes and that is 30 megabytes to search.
[14:43] [richwren] Well hidden no doubt...
[14:44] [FlyBert] Is Photo Shop so much more advanced than Paint Shop Pro to make it worth that much more moeny?
[14:45] [FlyBert] I have PSP, but have never experienced PS.
[14:45] [Quaxo] Bob, personally, I tried Photoshop, but I like PSP much more.
[14:45] [Quaxo] Much more intuitive IMO.
[14:45] [FlyBert] Aha!
[14:45] [richwren] I prefer PSP for normal use but Photoshop is far more powerful.
[14:46] [FlyBert] There's nothing I've ever needed to do... and I'm NOT a graphics artist... that PSP wouldn't do.
[14:46] [Quaxo] Photoshop is more "heavy" - have you noticed how long it takes to start, compared to PSP?
[14:47] [richwren] So said I, but having seen the results it can give compared to using the same tools in PSP I won't be deleting it...
[14:47] [Quaxo] Rich, for example?
[14:47] [ChrisLow] I think that it's time to call it a night
[14:48] [Quaxo] Already, Chris? It's still late evening... :)
[14:48] [FlyBert] Good night, Chris.
[14:48] [Quaxo] Bye Chris!
[14:48] [FlyBert] Early afternoon on the Left Coast.
[14:48] [ChrisD] good night cris, see u som other time.
[14:48] [richwren] The scaling/rotating tools are a good example Cristian, Photoshop lets you distort an image in far more directions and the results look less blocky.
[14:48] [ChrisD] sorry, goo afternoon that is. silly me :)
[14:49] [richwren] 'Night Chris.
[14:49] [ChrisLow] I've been here for a while, and I need to get to bed early for two reasons 1. one hour less tonight 2. early rise to watch my two young cousins motocross tomorrow
[14:49] [FlyBert] [== lives on another planet.
[14:50] [Quaxo] Rich, hm, I see... Then, maybe I should have used PS for my UK tiles! :)
[14:50] [richwren] Heh, amateur :-) I'm helping my sister move house tomorrow and I'm not going yet...
[14:51] [Quaxo] I'll wake up at 7 AM tomorrow (which is like 6 AM with the hour less - And I'll be here fon another while... :)
[14:51] [richwren] Cristian, maybe, but I haven't figured out how to customise the pallette in Photoshop yet.
[14:51] [Tom] Chris... CU... oh... and I'm back.
[14:51] [ChrisLow] Well, I might leave MIRC running for the time being......
[14:51] [FlyBert] Moving help... fun. I once showd up in Seattle for a week's vacation...
[14:51] [FlyBert] ...first thing we did was help move my friend's mom! :(
[14:51] [ChrisLow] Where did you take her Bob ?
[14:52] [richwren] Sounds like an interesting vacation.
[14:52] [FlyBert] To her new apartment? :)
[14:52] [FlyBert] Had to put a queen-size bed into a bedroom that was smaller than the bed.
[14:53] [ChrisLow] What an interesting paradox.....
[14:53] [FlyBert] Yes, it was.
[14:53] [ChrisLow] Did you solve it ?
[14:53] [ChrisLow] Maybe Boeing could have helped you ?
[14:53] [Quaxo] Without breaking the walls, that is... :)
[14:53] [richwren] See this wall? Now you don't :-)
[14:54] [FlyBert] Yeah... in truth it fit, but there was no place left to stand.
[14:54] [richwren] Could you open the door again?
[14:54] [FlyBert] It filled the room... completely.
[14:54] [ChrisLow] .and some
[14:54] [FlyBert] But the worst part was her chihuahua....
[14:54] [ChrisLow] Nowhere for the basket ?
[14:54] [FlyBert] First thing my friend's other friend said when seeing the dog, was...
[14:54] [FlyBert] "Anybody got a shovel?"
[14:55] [ChrisD] :)
[14:55] [richwren] That'd pretty much be my reaction. If you want a rat why didn't you buy one? ;-)
[14:55] [Tom] I love dogs... but those aren't dogs... more like oversized rats with bad attitudes...
[14:55] [Quaxo] :D
[14:56] [ChrisLow] What about a lovely little cat ?
[14:56] [Quaxo] Never seen a well-behaved small dog...
[14:56] [FlyBert] The things eyeswere bigger than its head. Downright weird looking thing.
[14:56] [ChrisLow] Hahahahahahahahahahaha
[14:56] [Tom] Daisy is medium small... very pleasant personality.
[14:56] [FlyBert] And all it did was yap... constantly.
[14:57] [ChrisLow] ......or something that rhymes with yap........
[14:57] [FlyBert] Dogs are fine... medium-sized on up.
[14:57] [FlyBert] Golden Lab might be my favorite.
[14:57] [Quaxo] Tom, medium small is still good - I talk about "tiny" ones...
[14:57] [richwren] Never seen the point in getting a dog smaller than a cat.
[14:57] [FlyBert] (Besides Holly, I mean.) :)
[14:58] [ChrisLow] I've never seen the point in getting a dog......period
[14:58] [ChrisLow] Sorry Tom :)
[14:58] [Tom] When I was a teen my friends had one... nasty thing... it would nip at my ankles... one day I refused to go into their house... they said "just kick him"... I did... he bounced off the wall... I sure got a dirty look from my friends... but he never bothered me again!
[14:58] [ChrisLow] was he dead ?
[14:58] [Tom] Your loss Chris... not mine... I have 3.
[14:59] [ChrisLow] I didn't mean to offend you Tom, but I prefer cats myself
[14:59] [FlyBert] One quick lesson did the trick, eh?
[15:00] [Tom] I used to have those... but the last one died a couple of years ago at age 19...
[15:00] [Quaxo] Chris, if you want one, my three newborn kittens are just starting to walk around the house...
[15:00] [Tom] But dogs are much more loyal...
[15:00] [richwren] But you know that a cat actually likes you.
[15:00] [ChrisLow] OK Cristian, just stuff one into a package, and send it to my address........ :)
[15:01] [richwren] If it didn't it'd move out.
[15:01] [FlyBert] My only pets right now are a handfull of freeloading squirrels.
[15:01] [ChrisLow] A spider shared our household the other night, for about one minute
[15:01] [richwren] My housemate has a couple of neurotic gerbils but they're not exactly my definition of pets.
[15:01] [Quaxo] OK Chris, I'll make some holes in the package... With priority mail you'll get it in 2 days! :) Want it black or white?
[15:02] [richwren] Chris, I assume you kiled it? Very thoroughly?
[15:02] [ChrisLow] Not fussed, so long as it survives :)
[15:02] [ChrisLow] No Rich, I didn't. I never kill anything. I caught it in a mug and chucked it outside !
[15:02] [FlyBert] Speaking of shipping, I know a story about a hunk of cheese in a bag of water. ;)
[15:03] [Quaxo] Ha! That was fun. Something to remember! :)
[15:03] [ChrisD] cheese unlimited again, no?:)
[15:03] [ChrisLow] No
[15:03] [Tom] Better mark it "fragil"... that way they know to play football with it... or should I say rugby?
[15:03] [ChrisLow] I can't stand rugby.........
[15:04] [Quaxo] Tom, this time it wasn't their fault - Daniel mailed me a bag full of ice! When the ice melted, the water came out! :) :)
[15:04] [ChrisD] dont say that, i had a packet sent fragile, it was crushed totally. just like they had thrown it out the window from 6th floor
[15:04] [Tom] I don't understand it... or cricket either... but was trying to be accommodating.
[15:05] [richwren] Little secret Tom. Noone understands cricket. It's a good excuse to stand around in the sun for five days.
[15:06] [ChrisLow] Cricket's a good game. Unfortunately, nobody in England can play it !
[15:06] [FlyBert] I guess it's too late to note that gjetost last like forever... the ice wasn't needed.
[15:06] [ChrisLow] Well, I really must go now
[15:07] [FlyBert] ReBye, Chris!
[15:07] [ChrisLow] It's been a pleasure talking to you all
[15:07] [Quaxo] Yes Bob, I thought so - but the "instructions" on the box say to keep it in the fridge...
[15:07] [Quaxo] Bye Chris!
[15:07] [ChrisLow] Bye guys
[15:07] [Tom] Years back I worked for a subsidiary of BP... at one company dinner I made the mistake of mentioning my frustrations with cricket... the BP VP sitting next to me had been a pro for a short time in his youth... he was quite offended...
[15:07] [ChrisD] bye cris
[15:07] [ChrisLow] My brother works for BP
[15:07] [Tom] by again Chris...
[15:08] [ChrisLow] Grangemouth in Scotland
[15:08] [Tom] I worked for AMSELCO Minerals... a wholey owned subsidiary... at that time.
[15:08] [FlyBert] Yes, Cristian, it should be refrigersted... but I think it'd survive a few days trip.
[15:08] [ChrisLow] See you
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[15:09] [richwren] I really should keep a better eye on this screen. Seeya Chris.
[15:13] [Quaxo] Christian, about SetiAtHome again - I'm quickly approaching the 250 units!
[15:13] [ChrisD] good, that is rapid progress :)
[15:13] [richwren] What are you running that on Cristian?
[15:14] [Quaxo] Not so much Christian - 0.25 results a day (average)...
[15:14] [Quaxo] Rich, Athlon XP1600+. 7 hours wor a WU.
[15:14] [Quaxo] wor=for
[15:15] [richwren] Mmmm... It's really time I upped my Athlon 750 to something slightly less antique.
[15:15] [ChrisD] sounds ok to me, 7 hours/wu is ok
[15:15] [Quaxo] Rich, that depends on what you want to do - my father still works with a Pentium MMX 233. He just needs Office 97... :)
[15:16] [richwren] Well FU3 is a resource hog for a start :-)
[15:16] [Quaxo] Chris, that' not a bad time - with my old Celeron 450, it was 30 hours/wu...
[15:16] [Quaxo] Rich, true indeed - I would like a lot more power to run FU3. I envy Tom's system... :)
[15:17] [richwren] I ought to set it up on my P166. That's been running 24/7 for nearly a year now...
[15:17] [ChrisD] strange these beasts used to take aprox 12 hour/wu
[15:17] [Quaxo] And FU's is a 5 years old software... Talk about being "ahead of its time!"
[15:17] [ChrisD] under linux that was :)
[15:17] [Quaxo] Which beasts? What are they?
[15:18] [richwren] I'll probably get thumped for this, but has anyone else here played IL2 Sturmovik? That's a pretty looking game.
[15:18] [Tom] back... oooops... forgot to say brb...
[15:18] [ChrisD] i once ran seti on p2 450's they took aprox 10 hour, a celeron 300 oc to 450 did it in 12
[15:19] [Quaxo] Never tried it... Heard something about it though. But, I don't like combat sims...
[15:19] [richwren] The sky effects are fantastic, it's the first sim I've played where you ph
[15:20] [richwren] [duh] physically can't look at the sun.
[15:20] [Quaxo] Christan, strange - My Celeron was 400, oc to 450. And it took 30 hours. That's a LOT of a difference... Maybe that's because the PC wasn't really idle, it was running MS Word all the time...
[15:20] [Quaxo] Rich, I seem to remember that Su-27 Flanker 2 had a nice sun effect too... But I might be wrong...
[15:20] [richwren] It basically whites out your monitor until you look away. Decent ground shadows too. The only disappointment is that the aircraft themselves don't look as good.
[15:21] [richwren] Never played SU27 myself. Maybe I'll look for it on budget...
[15:21] [Quaxo] I liked Su-27 a lot. Fast, and nice. And a flightmodel out of this world... I used it as a "civilian" sim, just to zoom around and do some acrobatics...
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[15:22] [Quaxo] it had a nice patch (to 2.5) which added a lot of features...
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[15:22] [Quaxo] Where did you go Christian? :)
[15:22] [ChrisD] i could not send
[15:22] [richwren] I always enjoyed EF2000. I've never got that running though since instaling Win98.
[15:22] [ChrisD] i had to log out and back on to be able to write
[15:23] [Quaxo] Christian, that happened to me a lot of times with the web-based chat...
[15:23] [ChrisD] what i tried to say, the old client had a slow windows unit
[15:24] [ChrisD] to run windows you needed the text version or run linux
[15:24] [Quaxo] The old client? They haven't been updating it in a long time... And on the Celeron, I used the same version I'm using now...
[15:24] [Quaxo] The text version could be a nice thing too - after all, I don't really need the graphics, I don't even use it as a screensaver...
[15:24] [ChrisD] today i see no diff, i even use the graphic version, but screen saver is disabled
[15:25] [ChrisD] latest ver is 3.07
[15:25] [Quaxo] Yep, that's the one I have...
[15:26] [ChrisD] i am sure, if you had not, it would have requested you to update.
[15:26] [Quaxo] Talking of flight sims, besides FU3, the sim I loved most, is FU1. For many things, I like it more than FU3...
[15:26] [ChrisD] ver 3 almost doubled the execution time
[15:27] [Quaxo] Doubled? Wrt the version 2?
[15:27] [ChrisD] once 'heard' that fu1 could be made a region in fu3, is that right
[15:28] [Quaxo] You can take the FU1 areas and fly over them in FU3. But the "sim engine" will still be FU3...
[15:28] [ChrisD] ver 3 searchs for triplets fo one, the former client did not
[15:28] [ChrisD] where is fu1's land area actually located?
[15:28] [Quaxo] You're right - I forgot about that...
[15:29] [Quaxo] FU1 has many areas. They're very small, mirroring squares. There are a couple in France, then USA, and Canada.
[15:30] [Quaxo] Christian, never tried FU1?
[15:30] [ChrisD] ok, i did no know that, i started with fu2
[15:30] [ChrisD] t
[15:30] [ChrisD] pse insert
[15:30] [Tom] Not only are they small... the res isn't very good at low altitude either.
[15:30] [Quaxo] You should really try FU1! Specially if you're into aerobatics. Best flight model I ever seen - models asymmetric lift, stalls and spins very well.
[15:31] [Quaxo] Oh, it lacks 3D acceleration too. But when you follow the canyons in the Sukhoy... Ha! And the hoop courses, and interactive lessons, are really great.
[15:31] [ChrisD] i can make fu3 stall too :) peace of cake lol
[15:32] [Quaxo] Yes, FU3 can stall, but its spins are unrealistic. And it can't do snap-rolls. FU1 is much better! Want to try it?
[15:32] [richwren] I played a demo of it, but I couldn't run it at any decent speed. At the time though I was still enjoying canyon running in EF2000.
[15:32] [ChrisD] that is something we need to discuss here if we can '¨forget' about cheese and ink for a while.
[15:33] [richwren] That and shooting down my own AWACS...
[15:33] [Quaxo] With today's computers, speed is not a problem with FU1...
[15:33] [ChrisD] we need drivers for cards newer than tnt2
[15:33] [Tom] Chris if you want to talk airplanes... talk airplanes... others will follow.
[15:34] [Quaxo] Christian, actually the TNT2 is too new for FU1 - it uses just plain SuperVGA graphics...
[15:34] [richwren] Would it run under XP?
[15:35] [ChrisD] does somebody here know where peter james is nowadays.?
[15:35] [Quaxo] The Dos version probably wouldn't - or would be difficult to set up. The Win95 version should work, in compatibility mode.
[15:35] [ChrisD] he might help us modify fu3 to use some newer faster drivers
[15:36] [Quaxo] Oh, Christian, you was talking about FU3! Sorry... :)
[15:36] [ChrisD] no problemo¨
[15:36] [Tom] Peter is a pilot... not a software guru.
[15:37] [ChrisD] he was the lead designer, so he may be able to get us 'connected' to the folks who know how..
[15:37] [Quaxo] He was the lead designer of the project, he could be still in touch with the programmers
[15:37] [Tom] No sirs... doesn't work out that way...
[15:37] [richwren] So I admit I'm not a graphics wizard, but surely as long as you have DirectX drivers for your card FU3 will run fine?
[15:37] [ChrisD] ??
[15:38] [Tom] Pat M shared the file structure... Gideon made use of that.
[15:38] [ChrisD] that ?? was for tom
[15:38] [Quaxo] Rich, maybe - but it would be nice to have the ability to use the new capabilities...
[15:38] [Quaxo] Tom, why not?
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[15:39] [Tom] Peter never showed any interest in FU after he left EA/LG... I had contact with him until about 18 months ago.
[15:39] [Quaxo] Hello again Daniel!
[15:39] [Stearman] Hi again
[15:40] [richwren] He's back already!
[15:40] [Tom] Welcome back Daniel!
[15:40] [Stearman] Someone still here, I see :-)
[15:40] [FlyBert] Hello again, Daniel!
[15:40] [Quaxo] I would still like to know who owns the source code for FU3...
[15:41] [Stearman] What other wonders (new aircraft, upcoming scenery areas and such) have been discussed in my absence?
[15:41] [Tom] I should say "some contact"...
[15:41] [Quaxo] Independent programmers made wonders with Falcon, updating its "core"...
[15:41] [Tom] EA I guess.
[15:41] [FlyBert] Ink and cheese, Daniel. ;)
[15:41] [richwren] Furry creatures made a brief appearance but we soon reverted to food.
[15:41] [FlyBert] I'm prety sure EA owns it.
[15:42] [Tom] Between guys like you, Ansgar, & Gideon I'd say we have done pretty good... and still going...
[15:42] [Stearman] Bob, ink?
[15:42] [FlyBert] "Never mind." :)
[15:42] [Quaxo] So, no chance of them letting go of the code, even if they won't ever use it...
[15:42] [FlyBert] (Just some discussion about inkjet printers, long done.)
[15:43] [richwren] I seem to recall there being some major trouble with who actually owns the copyright to FU3.
[15:43] [richwren] Hence the lack of a budjet release.
[15:43] [richwren] budget even.
[15:43] [Quaxo] Rich, I remember something about that, too. But I don't remember the details...
[15:44] [Quaxo] Something like people being scared of using their rights... ?
[15:44] [Tom] I dunno... there was some legal stuff with Fly... I think EA just shut FU down tight.
[15:44] [ChrisD] sorry for my ignorance, but is ea still in business?
[15:44] [Tom] Big time.
[15:45] [FlyBert] You bet!
[15:45] [Tom] But while they do have their own development... they have always been a publisher as well.
[15:45] [richwren] Well they release a football game for the Playstation twice a year so I assume EA are still in business.
[15:46] [ChrisD] ok
[15:46] [Tom] They have a really bad NASCAR series... which may show some promise for the future... I hope.
[15:47] [FlyBert] It's an absolute shame thatEA no longer is Trip Hawkins.
[15:47] [ChrisD] these nda's may soon run out, and the folks that actually worked on fu might help us out once their sealed mouths are released.
[15:48] [Quaxo] Chris, that's what I was really hoping for.
[15:48] [Tom] EA has excellent F1 & SBK sims.
[15:48] [ChrisD] where is Karen, the terrain Goddess?
[15:48] [Tom] She morphed into Cristian. ( ;-) )
[15:49] [Quaxo] The Falcon4 code was leaked by a unknown programmer, and posted to a site. It was then removed almost immediately, but in the meanwhile, a lot of people had taken it...
[15:49] [Quaxo] Karen? Me?!? :)
[15:49] [FlyBert] Cristian! I had NO idea! ;)
[15:49] [Tom] Well you are the terrain God(dess) arn't you?
[15:50] [Quaxo] Well Bob, neither did I!
[15:50] [FlyBert] LOL
[15:50] [Quaxo] Well Tom, "Texture" more than "terrain". André is the "terrain" God... (dess) ! :)
[15:50] [Tom] LG was taking aerial pics and prepping them for the sim... isn't that what you do?
[15:50] [ChrisD] pity, if we could fin her, she might be able to give us a few hints..
[15:51] [ChrisD] d, ps insert
[15:51] [Quaxo] They had to hand-color the whole scenery! I wouldn't do it! Must have been a huge task...
[15:51] [ChrisD] no kidding!!?
[15:52] [Stearman] Tom, may I ask you a question re GPL?
[15:52] [Quaxo] I once saw the original B/W photos they had used.
[15:52] [Tom] Difference is... they got paid for it...
[15:52] [Quaxo] :)
[15:52] [richwren] Was it really hand coloured though or was the colour added from lower resolution photos?
[15:52] [Tom] GPL... Bob might be more help... but sure...
[15:53] [FlyBert] Ah, racing. :)
[15:53] [Quaxo] Rich, I heard it was hand-colored - and looking carefully at the scenery, I really think it was. Too many areas share the same color...
[15:53] [Stearman] Tom, you told me once you had something in mind re the AI in GPL. But you did never really tell me more.
[15:53] [Quaxo] I HATE the AI in GPL! They always win!!! :(
[15:54] [FlyBert] Talk to Staggerwing, Cristian. :)
[15:54] [Quaxo] I tried! But that's frustrating!!!
[15:54] [FlyBert] HE beats them. Ocassionally.
[15:54] [richwren] Man I need to get out more. I thought you guys were talking about the Gnu Public License :-)
[15:54] [Tom] I haven't got around to trying yet... my next racing project is to try Evo2 tracks with MTM2.
[15:54] [FlyBert] C'mon, Rich! ;)
[15:55] [richwren] I know, I know!
[15:55] [Stearman] Tom, OK, thanks...
[15:55] [Tom] Yeah... stag is a good bet... he is a big time GPL fan.
[15:55] [Tom] But I will eventually give it a try... and will tell you about it then.
[15:55] [Quaxo] At least, I can now (usually) do as many laps as I want, keeping all 4 wheels attached to the car...
[15:56] [Tom] To the car... how about the road?
[15:56] [Quaxo] Not always!!! :-)
[15:56] [FlyBert] That's better than I can do, Cristian.
[15:56] [Stearman] Cristian, GPL is a joy to play (or simply watch) even if you end always in last place. Go figure if you could end one before last :-)
[15:56] [Quaxo] Hm, Bob, but I usually get lapped AT LEAST once...
[15:56] [FlyBert] Do you have Ron Ackerley's Spa upgrade, Cristian?
[15:57] [Quaxo] No, should I get it?
[15:57] [FlyBert] (Or you, Daniel?)
[15:57] [FlyBert] It's excellent! Got me reinterested in GPL!
[15:57] [Quaxo] Where is it available?
[15:57] [FlyBert] Good question...
[15:57] [FlyBert] Lemme look around a bit.
[15:58] [Stearman] Bob, no. I've been much more interested in upgrades cars than tracks or scenery.
[15:58] [Quaxo] These weeks I'm also having a lot of fun with Orbiter... Anyone of you uses it?
[15:59] [richwren] Never even heard of it Cristian.
[15:59] [Stearman] Not here. Used some space sims years ago, but eventually found them boring.
[16:00] [Quaxo] Daniel, that depends from what you're looking for. A complete docking mission to the ISS can take hours... But a reentry on Earth, with Dansteph's last Glider2... well, I wouldn't call it boring!
[16:01] [Quaxo] Rich, never heard? Look at this site... www.orbitersim.com
[16:01] [Quaxo] It's a space sim. Very advanced, and free! :)
[16:01] [richwren] Heh, Google beat you to it :-)
[16:01] [Quaxo] Do you like the screenshots on the site?
[16:01] [Stearman] Cristian, I'm sure you're right, but I don't have the time or the energy for more sims (besides FU3, FS2002 and GPL)
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[16:02] [Quaxo] :) I know what you mean!
[16:03] [richwren] Looks nice Cristian, think I might have to download it.
[16:04] [Quaxo] If you do, be sure to download also the Hi.res textures, and the new Atlantis 1.5 shuttle, and - most of all - the DeltaGlider2. It's the best ship! Realy great, with a lot of working systems (including life support systems!)
[16:04] [Stearman] Well, time for another break, I'm afraid... I might try back later again, bye for now!
[16:04] [richwren] Seeya then.
[16:04] [Quaxo] Bye Daniel! See you later (maybe)!
[16:04] [ChrisD] ss u
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[16:04] [ChrisD] see u soon, was that
[16:05] [FlyBert] Oops... too late.
[16:06] [ChrisD] saw it ..
[16:06] [ChrisD] :) maybe i get a better keyboard some day
[16:07] [richwren] I say the same myself.
[16:08] [richwren] Preferably one which doesn't have a power button next to the enter key. You wouldn't believe how many times I've hit that by accident...
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[16:08] [richwren] One in, one out. Hi Steffen.
[16:08] [Steffen] there i am again, got empty here...
[16:08] [Tom] Daniel B just left.
[16:08] [Quaxo] Hi again Steffen!
[16:09] [Steffen] what did i miss?
[16:10] [Tom] Lots... we will get a transcript posted somewhere.
[16:10] [ChrisD] richwren, can't you disable that button?
[16:10] [richwren] I haven't found a way to yet Chris. Win2k is nice like that.
[16:12] [Quaxo] Rich, don't you have a BIOS setting to disable power on/off from the keyboard?
[16:12] [richwren] Can't say I'd even thought of that Cristian.
[16:13] [Quaxo] Might be worth a try! :)
[16:14] [richwren] Frankly though, my Bios scares the heck out of me. The old Pentium was a nice frindly menu system, this machine's Bios seems deliberately designed to keep the uninitiated at bay.
[16:15] [richwren] So Cristian, should I be downloading all the Orbiter patches as well?
[16:16] [Quaxo] Rich, no, just the latest. But you don't really need that, the problems with the last snapshot were small. You can start by just downloading the latest build, plus the addons I told you. Don't forget the DeltaGlider2! :)
[16:17] [Tom] brb
[16:17] [richwren] I've already got the base and textures, I've queued up Earth Mars and the Moon for download too.
[16:18] [Quaxo] Did all that now?!? Oh well... How I wish I had ADSL too... :-)
[16:18] [richwren] SDK needed?
[16:18] [Quaxo] Only if you want to do some addon development...
[16:18] [Quaxo] You don't need it if you just want to USE addons.
[16:18] [richwren] Ha! Not likely at present. :-)
[16:20] [Quaxo] The most detailed ships are the Atlantis shuttle (but it has no cockpit), the Dragonfly tug (but I find it boring), and the DeltaGlider2. Its panel is outstanding!
[16:21] [Tom] Back... Do they have Apollo craft?
[16:22] [richwren] No cockpit? How do you fly it? I find it hard enough to fly the GeeBee without an ADI, let alone missing ALL the instruments...
[16:23] [Quaxo] Rich, I mean, it has no background bitmap for the cockpit. You fly it using only the various MFD's, which appear with a "HUD-look".
[16:23] [richwren] Ah. THat makes more sense.
[16:23] [Quaxo] The MFD's are really fundamental - you'll need to learn how to use them. Or you won't even reach orbit!
[16:23] [richwren] That's Earth downloaded.
[16:24] [Quaxo] Tom, was you asking about Orbiter sim?
[16:24] [Tom] Yes.
[16:24] [richwren] Mars done...
[16:25] [richwren] And that's the Moon. I love broadband :-)
[16:25] [Quaxo] Rich, I envy you! I couldn't download the Mars textures - Too big for me! :)
[16:25] [richwren] I could always burn them for you.
[16:25] [ChrisD] ill send it to you
[16:25] [Quaxo] I strongly encourage you to visit the forums. You'll find a lot of info and addons there! There's also a new Mars hi-res texture - 40 Mb I think...
[16:26] [Quaxo] Tom, yes - but it's an addon. There is Apollo 13 and 14, and others. All multistage ships! Quite difficult to complete the mission...
[16:27] [richwren] 40Mb? Ouch. THat might take at least half an hour.
[16:27] [Quaxo] Rich, if you go to the "Gallery" page, you'll see some examples of the MFD I told you.
[16:27] [Tom] I was very big on the Apollo missions... I now have DVDs of Aollo13 and the "From Earth to the Moon" series.
[16:28] [Tom] Somewhere in the basement I have complete panel diagrams for Apollo & the Shuttle.
[16:28] [Quaxo] Tom, a thing I still can't do is extract the Lem... I achieve lunar orbit, jettison the LEM, turn around and try to dock with it - and always fail... :(
[16:29] [Quaxo] Panel diagrams?!? :-o Where did you get them?
[16:29] [ChrisD] that is precious memories, take great care of them. i would give an arm for these
[16:29] [richwren] I've tried to get hold of the DVDs for From the Earth to the Moon. Haven't seen them anywhere for ages.
[16:30] [Tom] I bought them at the Space center 11 or 12 years ago. I also have blueprints on the shuttle.
[16:30] [ChrisD] what does the 'from Earth to moon series' cost on DVD?
[16:30] [Tom] I ordered it on a "pre release special" for $79.
[16:31] [Tom] (I think)
[16:31] [ChrisD] that means no longer available, right :(
[16:32] [Tom] Don't know. On the diagrams and such like it was 1987... shuttles were still grounded after Challenger.
[16:33] [Quaxo] Rich, if you want it, the Hi-res Mars texture is at Avsim. There you can find lots of other addons too, includins NASSP 4.0 - the latest Apollo pack.
[16:33] [ChrisD] talk about progress, 30 yrs ago we could go to the moon, today we cannot even go to orbit :(
[16:33] [Tom] Bob... didn't you see something on "From Earth to the Moon" recently?
[16:35] [ChrisD] i watched apollo 8 on christmas eve 1968, i never forget the sight of the earth rising above the horizon of the moon
[16:35] [ChrisD] what a tiny planet we inahbit?
[16:36] [Tom] I need to re-watch the series... had been planning to re-do "Band of Brothers"... but too intense for these times.
[16:37] [FlyBert] No, just read a review and blurb about it on amazon.com, Tom.
[16:38] [FlyBert] Cristian...
[16:38] [Tom] Do they have it in stock?
[16:38] [richwren] I can't find it on Amazon.co.uk
[16:38] [FlyBert] I can't find the Spa upgrade anywhere, even after going to Race Sim Central like I was told to do at WinVROC.
[16:38] [FlyBert] Yes, but $79.99.
[16:39] [Quaxo] Yes Bob?
[16:39] [Tom] OK... was some question as to if it was still in release. Thanks.
[16:39] [FlyBert] But I have the ZIP file Cristian... it's 3.2 megs... do you want it mailed to you? Can you accept mail that large?
[16:40] [Quaxo] The zip of what? :)
[16:40] [FlyBert] The Spa upgrade.
[16:40] [FlyBert] GPL.
[16:40] [Tom] (Bob shows off his new broadband capability! :) )
[16:40] [FlyBert] :)))
[16:41] [Quaxo] Oh, sorry, I thought you was talking about space things! But no, I can't accept such big emails...
[16:41] [Tom] Good stuff! Enjoy!!
[16:41] [FlyBert] One simply cannot live without broadband. ;)
[16:41] [Quaxo] Isn't there a place where it can be downloaded?
[16:41] [FlyBert] I'll go looking for it again, then! :)
[16:41] [Quaxo] I'd really like to have broadband, but it isn't available yet here...
[16:41] [FlyBert] It's out there SOMEWHERE!
[16:41] [Quaxo] No hurry Bob - You can email me an address when you find it! :)
[16:42] [FlyBert] Yes, I could put it in the mail in the DRAFTS folder.
[16:42] [FlyBert] You should get that some time this century. ;)
[16:42] [Quaxo] ?
[16:42] [richwren] Cristian, I've just found the 40Mb Mars on Avsim. Looks stunning. Download will start in a minute...
[16:42] [Quaxo] How?
[16:43] [Quaxo] Rich, looks good, heh?
[16:43] [FlyBert] The one I'm working on... gjetost, postcards, etc.
[16:43] [FlyBert] (OK, GIEtost.) ;)
[16:44] [Quaxo] Hm, Bob, if you send me a large email, it will be refused... (by the way, it's "Geitost")!
[16:44] [Quaxo] Do you want a scan of the box? :)
[16:44] [FlyBert] I meant geitost, not gietost, but that's all explained in my mail.
[16:45] [FlyBert] The Norwegians are trying to take the language back to earlier days. It USED to be geitost, then gjetost, now geitost again. Mom says NO WAY! ;)
[16:45] [Quaxo] :)
[16:46] [FlyBert] "STREET TALK!", she says! "TRASH!"
[16:46] [FlyBert] (You know how moms are.( :)
[16:47] [Quaxo] Street talk? That's what is written on the box... So I thought, "They make it, they name it"!
[16:47] [FlyBert] You'll find stamps there now that say both NORGE (the "proper" way) and NOREG, the "new" way, which even Hans Petter will tell youisn't being accepted.
[16:47] [FlyBert] Bottom line... it's "gjetost", no matter WHAT thta box says. :)
[16:48] [FlyBert] Shred the box. ;)
[16:48] [Quaxo] Bob, I know, I've seen the Noreg stamps! When I found it, I hoped it was a typo on the stamp... Would be worth a lot! :)
[16:48] [ChrisD] stamp collectors thought they had struck gold when they saw the first stamp with NOREG on it :)
[16:48] [Quaxo] Christian, I rushed to the Internet, to search for some info... Then I emailes
[16:49] [FlyBert] It IS a typo! ::koff::
[16:49] [Quaxo] Sorry, "Emailed" the sender of the stamp, and he explained... :)
[16:49] [Quaxo] Rich: if you want the DeltaGlider2, you'll find it here: www.dansteph.com/orbiter/
[16:50] [Quaxo] It's called "G-SNDO"
[16:50] [FlyBert] Looks like "El Segundo" horribly misspelled. :)
[16:50] [richwren] Cheers Cristian, I was having a bit of trouble locating it. (6.3Mb of Mars downloaded already :-)
[16:51] [Quaxo] Rich, it's because it's still a beta. Stable though, it only lacks some minor features (like a proper heartbeat graphics for the passengers!). It's a small download, 2-3 Mb I think.
[16:52] [richwren] On it's way.
[16:52] [Quaxo] Bob, a question - Is there a big solar power plant at El Segundo? I heard something about that...
[16:52] [richwren] Without the apostrophe of course.
[16:53] [Quaxo] Rich, just remembered that, to use the DG2, you need the OrbiterSound2 addon. It's highly recommended anyway - the sim is originally mute, the orbiterSound addon adds all kinds of sounds, noises, radio chatter and such... Really needed! :)
[16:54] [FlyBert] Not that I know of, Cristian.
[16:54] [FlyBert] I found the Spa upgrade, Cristian... here's the link.
[16:54] [FlyBert] http://gpladdons.m4driving.sm/tracks/spa_eng.htm
[16:54] [richwren] *sigh* Not more downloads. NTL will be stringing me up :-)
[16:54] [FlyBert] SAVE IT SAFELY! :)
[16:55] [Quaxo] Thanks Bob! :)
[16:55] [FlyBert] You're quite welcome.
[16:55] [Tom] Ron does nice graphics. Love his car pics.
[16:56] [FlyBert] He should be pretty well qualified for graphics...
[16:56] [Quaxo] Rich, it's not so big anyway - 3.49 Mb. You can find it on the same address I gave you before, at the "downloads" page...
[16:56] [FlyBert] He used to be an executive at JASC Software, makers of Paint Shop Pro.
[16:57] [Tom] Execs often don't know much beyond double Windsor knots.
[16:57] [FlyBert] :)
[16:57] [Quaxo] Bob, I just looked at the screenshot at the site... A scary slope it is! :)
[16:58] [FlyBert] Just download it, Cristian. ;)
[16:58] [FlyBert] It;s both a pretty drive and a fun track.
[16:59] [FlyBert] Except for one hairpin, at the end just before thepits, it's pretty hard to get into trouble.
[16:59] [Quaxo] Bob, I have to download both files, don't I?
[16:59] [FlyBert] I doubt it... to tell ya the truth, I don't know what that other one even is.
[16:59] [FlyBert] I used only Ron's 3.2MB file.
[17:00] [Tom] That hairpin is / was / and always will be a bear in real life... don't know how they do it in traffic.
[17:00] [Quaxo] OK Bob, than I'll download only that one.
[17:05] [Tom] ChrisD... what airplanes you want to talk about?
[17:05] [richwren] Airplanes? What are they again? :-)
[17:06] [ChrisD] what airplanes? :) i almost forgot which forum we were in.
[17:06] [Tom] You wanted to talk about airplanes... lets do it...
[17:07] [ChrisD] too late mate, i am exhausted. almost ready to leave you folks.
[17:07] [Quaxo] Airplanes heh? On May 1-4 there will be the only airshow in this area this year... It will be at the Ostia beech, near Rome...
[17:08] [Quaxo] Too bad there is no airport - you can't see takeoffs and landings.
[17:08] [richwren] May 1-4? I might just be in the area...
[17:08] [ChrisD] but tom, tnx for mensioning the subject :)
[17:09] [Tom] Just trying to stir some action here..
[17:10] [Quaxo] Rich, really? Here in Rome?
[17:10] [richwren] Well outside of. I'm spending a couple of weeks in Anagni.
[17:11] [Quaxo] Anagni isn't too far from here! We could meet at the airshow! :)
[17:11] [richwren] We've rented a villa down there, hope to see a bit more of Rome than last time I was there.
[17:12] [richwren] I seriously doubt I could persuade my travelling companions that they'd rather go to an airshow than sightseeing in Rome :-)
[17:12] [Quaxo] If you need help for some nice sightseeing, just ask! I'll be glad to show you some nice places!
[17:12] [Quaxo] Hm, next time, choose better travel-mates!!! :D
[17:12] [richwren] Well I saw a few places that looked worth exploring last time. Unfortunately as I was working I never got the chance.
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[17:13] [richwren] Night shift is a bummer when you want to see the area you're in, all I saw was the airport, the motorway and the hotel.
[17:15] [richwren] So what's worth seeing in Rome then?
[17:15] [Quaxo] A lot. It all depends on your tastes...
[17:16] [richwren] Well I'd be happy hanging around the airport...
[17:16] [Quaxo] You can like going shopping, or sihtseeing, or visiting museums and monuments, or... :)
[17:16] [richwren] I think the museums/monuments thing is going to feature pretty highly.
[17:16] [Quaxo] There is a place just outside the airport where the aircrafts fly just above the road, at a few meters of altitude. Nice sight!
[17:17] [Quaxo] But you're usually not allowed to take photos
[17:18] [richwren] I think I know where you mean, I've seen it on Airliners.net
[17:18] [Quaxo] It's just at the fence of runway 16R.
[17:19] [Quaxo] But there's a long walk to do to get there, if you don't have a car (or a cab!)
[17:19] [Quaxo] I've never seen that place at Airliners... How did you find it?
[17:19] [richwren] I'm trying to talk my brother into going to St Maarten for the beach...
[17:20] [richwren] Err, one sec.
[17:20] [Quaxo] :) Now, THAT is a nice place. I'd like to go there!
[17:20] [Quaxo] Must be scary though!
[17:22] [Quaxo] Bob, Done! Downloaded the 3.9 Mb file. The zip is good. Will try it tomorrow... Thanks again! :)
[17:22] [richwren] Actually, I'm not sure it was Fiumicino. I seem to remember a pic of an Iberian A319 skimming the fence.
[17:22] [ChrisD] got to leave you folks now, have been a pleasure. hope to chat with you some other time.
[17:22] [richwren] Night Chris.
[17:23] [Quaxo] Bye Christian! Have a good night!!
[17:23] [Tom] CU Chris...
[17:23] [FlyBert] G'nite Chris.
[17:23] [ChrisD] nite all, out
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[17:24] [Quaxo] Rich, Iberia A319s come at Fiumicino, but not at Ciampino. So, if it was Rome, it was Fiumicino... But it might have been the other runway. The sighting is less dramatic there.
[17:24] [Quaxo] Too bad we don't have observation terraces inside the airport, like at Heathrow... But such things are illegal here... :(
[17:25] [richwren] The observation deck at Heathrow isn't that good anyway. I prefer to be alongside the runway or under the flightpath.
[17:26] [Quaxo] I don't know, I've been at Heathrow only once, and I was by bus - no chance to walk around the airport. And I missed the Concorde by 10 minutes... :( I've never seen a Concorde for real...
[17:27] [richwren] I got some good shots of an Air France 747-200 from a side road around Cincinnati Airport.
[17:28] [Quaxo] Yes, if you like the flying airplanes and don't mind the ground movements, being just outside the airport is the best thing...
[17:28] [richwren] Seen several Concordes myself, mostly from my brother's house. He lives under the approach for Heathrow close to Greenwich.
[17:28] [Tom] Guys I need to go tend to dinner...
[17:29] [Quaxo] Hm... I have to go, too... 2 AM here, and wakeup at 7AM tomorrow...
[17:29] [Tom] you go ahead and talk... I be "here" getting the log... but will be eating...
[17:29] [richwren] Okay Tom, we'll let you :-)
[17:29] [Quaxo] Don't forget the log, Tom! Take care of it! :)
[17:29] [FlyBert] Mom-time again here, but I'm going to bail out for the day too.
[17:29] [FlyBert] Good talking to you all!
[17:29] [Tom] Yeah... gonna let this run... but will be upstairs with my chicken...
[17:29] [FlyBert] Expect mail from me, Cristian! :)
[17:30] [Quaxo] Goodnight everyone! See you in the next chat!
[17:30] [FlyBert] (Believe it or not!)
[17:30] [richwren] See you all later.
[17:30] [Quaxo] I believe you, Bob!
[17:30] [Tom] CU Bob... probably tomorrow...
[17:30] [FlyBert] EVERYONE is leaving?
[17:30] [Quaxo] I am leaving!
[17:31] [FlyBert] Turn out the lights! ;)
[17:31] [Tom] Looks as if Rich will be talking to himself.
[17:31] [Quaxo] The last one cleans the room! :)
[17:31] * FlyBert is GONE! :)
[17:31] [richwren] Well I suppose I'd better go too then. I'll get the lights :-)
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[17:31] [Quaxo] Goodnight...
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[17:31] [Tom] OK... don't forget to sweep up! lol
[17:31] [richwren] Heh. Not likely :-)
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