This is the Flight Unlimited chat from 2003/02/15. Enjoy!
(If you feel you miss something know that the chat was only logged from when Robert (FlyBert) Stiles joined).

[13:41] [ChrisLow] Trumpets sound !!!
[13:41] *** AVSIM_Robert_S is now known as FlyBert
[13:41] [Quaxo] Chris, many people LOVE FS2002. It gives them what they want to have.
[13:42] * FlyBert figured it out!
[13:42] [Tom] Hi bob.... still waiting on those mails...
[13:42] [Quaxo] Howdy Bob!
[13:42] [FlyBert] I was on the Shadoworld server, not AVSIM's!
[13:42] * FlyBert is a DOLT!
[13:42] [Ansgar] Hello Bob!
[13:42] [Rich_W] You found us in the end then :-)
[13:43] [FlyBert] I forwarded them, Tom... no idea what is up with mail.
[13:43] [ChrisLow] That makes 8 at the moment......better than last time
[13:43] [FlyBert] Howdy Ansgar, both Chris's, Daniel, Quaxo, and Rich!
[13:43] [ChrisD] hello
[13:43] [FlyBert] (And you too, Tom.) ;-)
[13:44] [Tom] Bob / did you get mine from about an hour ago?
[13:44] [ChrisLow] Howdy
[13:44] [FlyBert] Yes, Tom.
[13:44] [Rich_W] Hi there.
[13:45] [DLM] Hi Bob!
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[13:45] [Tom] OK Bob... got 2 now... look to be moot at this time.
[13:45] [FlyBert] A THIRD Chris... how confusing. :)
[13:45] [ChrisL] I'm worth 2 !
[13:46] [ChrisD] no, 4
[13:46] [FlyBert] Yeah, they surely are moot. Except that 490. :\
[13:46] [Quaxo] Chris L... it's still Chris Low! :)
[13:46] [FlyBert] Two Chris Lows? Oh DEAR. ;)
[13:46] [Tom] Right... take er ez there pal... no lemon drops for you.
[13:46] [Quaxo] Chris, are you trying to raise the number of partecipants?
[13:46] [ChrisD] ok down to 3 then
[13:46] [ChrisL] BT Openworld provided their customary service upgrade.........and kicked me off !
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[13:47] [ChrisL] There, you can all relax now
[13:47] [Quaxo] Tom, what's this talking about lemon juice tonight?
[13:47] [Tom] No... just something btw Bob & me... not important...
[13:47] [ChrisL] I have just had smoked salmon with lemon juice.............and it played havoc with my sore throat
[13:48] [Quaxo] Oh! :-)
[13:48] [FlyBert] Did you know that smoked salmon has enough sodium to kill a bull moose at 500 yards? ;)
[13:48] [Rich_W] I won't tell you that I'm sittin here eating a curry then...
[13:48] [FlyBert] (It almost did me in!)
[13:48] [ChrisL] The fresh orange juice isn't helping either
[13:49] [ChrisL] .......but it does taste phenomenally good
[13:49] [FlyBert] Yes, it does.
[13:49] [FlyBert] Er, salmon, that is.
[13:49] [Tom] Guess I shouldn't mention that I'm having salmon loaf for dinner.
[13:49] [FlyBert] But OJ too.
[13:49] [FlyBert] I'll eat anything. :)
[13:49] [Quaxo] Do you believe that I never tasted smoked salmon? :)
[13:49] [ChrisL] except salmon
[13:50] [ChrisL] To be honest, I could do with giving it a rest for a few weeks
[13:50] [FlyBert] o, I'll eat fresh baked (or whatever), just not the smoked stuff.
[13:50] [Tom] Cristian... smoked salmon comes in widely different forms...
[13:50] [ChrisL] you can have too much of anything
[13:50] [FlyBert] Though it is indeed delicious.
[13:50] [ChrisL] ....most of which are fish :)
[13:51] [FlyBert] Ever tried smoking salmon? Dang hard to keep lit.
[13:51] * FlyBert slaps self with a large trout.
[13:51] [Quaxo] :)
[13:51] [FlyBert] (Couldn't resist cheap humor, y'know.)
[13:51] [ChrisL] you are good at it Bob :)
[13:51] [ChrisD] Quaxo, if I get around to comming to Italy, I'll bring You some, promise.
[13:52] * FlyBert slaps Mister Low with a large trout.
[13:52] [FlyBert] :)
[13:52] [Quaxo] Well, I'm not that intrested in salmon anyway - as I'm vegetarian since I was 18! :) But I'm still looking for gjeyost...
[13:53] [FlyBert] Is this supposed to be a Flight Unlimited conversation? :)
[13:53] [Quaxo] gjetost, sorry
[13:53] [DLM] ;-)
[13:53] [ChrisL] When is it EVER about FU3 here ?
[13:53] [Ansgar] puuuuh Chris you smell ....like a trout now?!
[13:53] * FlyBert Flybert drops in a word about NASCAR Racing 2003 Season
[13:53] [Quaxo] Bob, look who's talking now... I still remember my first chat: we talked about everything but FU3...!
[13:53] [ChrisD] Ever seen the grizzlys catching trout in the streams?
[13:54] [FlyBert] I was joking, Cristian! :)
[13:54] [Tom] My one sister is a vegitarian... some of the veggi dishes are downright great... I could be a vegitarian if as long as I get a good steak a 2 or 3 times a week! :)
[13:54] [ChrisL] It was amazing Ansgar. This big trout appeared from nowhere, slapped me across the face, and then vanished again !
[13:54] [FlyBert] Ah yes, gjetost! GREAT stuff!
[13:54] [Ansgar] *lol, LOL*
[13:54] [ChrisL] I can't say that it tases as good as the salmon........
[13:54] [ChrisD] agree
[13:55] [Quaxo] Tom, most people thinks that vegetarians only eat salad and fruit... That *definitely* isn't true! :)
[13:55] [ChrisL] don't they eat vegetables also ?
[13:55] [Quaxo] Chris, yes they do, but salad IS a vegetable...
[13:55] [FlyBert] (You get "Hmm, a Subject. NO idea." the other day, Tom?)
[13:55] [Tom] Agreed Cristian... but I do love a good steak...
[13:56] [Ansgar] yep!
[13:56] [ChrisL] so, I take it that "your" type of vegetarian eats T-Bone steaks and spare ribs then, Cristian ?
[13:56] [Rich_W] All we need to do is to convince biologists to reclassify cows as vegetables, then I'll switch too.
[13:56] [Quaxo] Tom, to be honest, I liked steaks too... And fish, and mortadella, and hamburgers... !
[13:57] [Quaxo] Chris, why? What do you mean?
[13:57] [Ansgar] so steaks with some fins??!
[13:57] [ChrisL] It was a JOKE, Cristian !
[13:57] [ChrisL] British humour
[13:57] [FlyBert] Justread my maiil, Tom. Never mind.
[13:57] [Tom] My sister makes exceptions for turkey & fish.
[13:58] [Tom] huh?
[13:58] [Quaxo] British humour... It'll take me some time to get used to! :) I was only saying that I can eat many complex and tasty dishes!
[13:58] [ChrisL] I've never liked the taste of bone china myself.........
[13:58] [FlyBert] Iasked you above about "NO idea". But you covered thatin just-read mail.
[13:58] [ChrisL] that's another example :)
[13:59] [FlyBert] Alright, folks... what's a good keyboard lubricant?
[13:59] [Rich_W] You're supposed to take it off the bones that's why. (Further example)
[13:59] [FlyBert] I can hardly press the keys on this guy! :\
[13:59] [Quaxo] Bob, WHAT did you spill on the keyboard? :)
[14:00] [FlyBert] Nothing... I just use it oo much, I guess.
[14:00] [FlyBert] oo?
[14:00] [FlyBert] See?
[14:00] [FlyBert] TOO.
[14:00] [Tom] (As Bob looks at the flashing red light)
[14:01] [ChrisD] just slam it into the table, cured my stuck A key.
[14:01] [Rich_W] I'd suggest WD40 but I think it might be conductive.
[14:02] [ChrisL] Vaseline ?
[14:02] [Quaxo] I'm currently using the keyboard I had with my first 486... Still perfect (although a little dirty). But I use it a lot!
[14:02] [Tom] We covered that one a couple of days ago...
[14:02] [Tom] makes a great flamethrower...
[14:02] [FlyBert] Yeah... WD40 seems like a good idea, but no.
[14:03] [Ansgar] Sorry friends, its getting late here in germany and I must leave you now, otherwise my wife slaps me with a trout also ;-)
[14:03] [ChrisL] Goodnight Ansgar
[14:03] [FlyBert] I'll use WD40 *with* the match when the keyboard REALLY ticks me off.
[14:03] [Quaxo] Ansgar, late? It's 11 pm!
[14:03] [FlyBert] Good night Ansgar!
[14:03] [Ansgar] I will read the rest in the stored zip file then..
[14:03] [Tom] Sounds like husband abuse to me... have a good night...
[14:03] [Rich_W] Seeya then Ansgar.
[14:03] [Quaxo] Goodnight Ansgar...!
[14:04] [DLM] So long Ansgar!
[14:04] [ChrisD] Schlaf Gut
[14:04] [Ansgar] Goodnight to all of you, it was a real pleasure to chat with you again!!!
[14:04] [Ansgar] Dankeschön!
[14:04] [Ansgar] Bye
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[14:04] [Quaxo] Ah, wives... :)
[14:06] [Tom] (suddenly very quiet in here)
[14:06] [ChrisD] FlyBert, when my keyboard gets too dirty, I remove all the caps. Wash them in lukewarm soapwater, dry them up and put them back on. Looks like a factory new KB afterwards.
[14:06] [FlyBert] Hmm, sumpin red flashing.
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[14:06] [ChrisL] Another recruit
[14:06] [Tom] Hey Phil... another RFer...
[14:06] [Quaxo] Hello Phil!
[14:06] [phil] Hi all
[14:07] [FlyBert] Howdy Phil!
[14:07] [ChrisD] welcome
[14:07] [phil] Arhhh, that nasty FlyBert --- helping me to spend my money again ;-)
[14:07] [Quaxo] ChrisL: this removes the dirt from the caps, but if it's in the switches, that doesn't work. And you can't wash the switches...
[14:07] [phil] Xtreme Air racing still 19.99 on the web site Bob
[14:08] [Quaxo] Sorry, I meant ChrisD
[14:08] [Tom] Phil u see the post with my NR03 probs?
[14:08] [ChrisD] My KB uses reed switches, they do not get dirty.
[14:08] [phil] Yes Tom, not notcied anyone else with those symptoms and can't think what may cause them
[14:09] [phil] it did work OK when you first installed right?
[14:09] [Tom] Right... for a couple of hours
[14:09] [Quaxo] I once spilled orange juice on my keyboard, and it managed to get INSIDE the switches. And they became all sticky. I had to open each switch an clean it with CRC contact cleaner...
[14:09] [Tom] Wasn't thrilled with the handling... but great fps...
[14:09] [phil] But did you change/add anything in those couple of hours?
[14:10] [ChrisD] that costed You quite a lot of CRC then?
[14:10] [Tom] I put in the noCD patch... it no work... put back the original.
[14:10] [Quaxo] :) It cost less than a new Keyboard!
[14:11] [phil] No good for on-line racing anyway - so I never bother with noCD for NR series
[14:11] [ChrisL] Time to call it a day
[14:11] [ChrisD] sure
[14:11] [phil] Call it a day? I've just got up!!!! ;-)
[14:11] [Quaxo] And by the way, it was an AMIGA keyboard back then... not easily replaceable!
[14:11] [ChrisL] I would normally stay longer, but that dose of flu has left me more tired than usual
[14:11] [ChrisD] You got a point there. Sorry no Amiga KB's in stock.
[14:12] [Quaxo] So you leave us ChrisL? Goodnight.... And care for your throat! :)
[14:12] [Tom] Ahhh... the Amiga... got my old 2000 in a box in the basement... best sys there was in it's day.
[14:12] [ChrisL] It was nice talking to you all........and sharing my lack of lottery winnings :)
[14:13] [Rich_W] Bye then ChrisL
[14:13] [phil] Bye Chris
[14:13] [Tom] C U Chris
[14:13] [DLM] Bye Chris!
[14:13] [ChrisL] bye
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[14:13] [Quaxo] Tom, I had always dreamed for an A2000! I had an A1000. And recently I've found 2 A500's (I collect old computers)...
[14:13] [Quaxo] But I have a 286 Bridgeboard for the A2000!
[14:14] [Tom] My 2000 was great... I traded a 1000 on it... first computer I had a HD on... a whopping 80MB!
[14:15] [ChrisD] luckey You, my first HDD was 20 Megs only.
[14:15] [Tom] I had a Apple II+ with a Z80 board in it.
[14:15] [ChrisD] a Seagate ST-225
[14:15] [Quaxo] 80 Mb for an Amiga could be filled quickly... I had a lot of programs which were on several floppies (880 Kb each floppy)...
[14:16] [Tom] It did better than many of my multi GB drives have since then.
[14:16] [Quaxo] My most recent "acquirement" is a Toshiba T1600 laptop... 286 CPU and 20 Mb HD. I loaded Win3.1 on it! And Word.
[14:18] [Tom] I'm suprised it fit.
[14:18] [Tom] But I never had W/3.1... I went from the Amiga to W/95
[14:19] [Quaxo] Tob, it fit just barely. I made a "basic" install of Windows (5 Mb) and had Dos too (5 Mb); Word took another 5 Mb, so I have another 3-4 Mb free...
[14:19] [ChrisD] never tried old M$ DOS then?
[14:19] [Quaxo] IMO Dos was a decent OS...
[14:20] [ChrisD] M$ Dos was actually Seattle Dos, that Bill Gates bought. Know the story?
[14:20] [Tom] Chris... Only did DOS as it was needed for many of the programs around then...
[14:21] [Quaxo] Chris, I thought DOS was written by the Bill Gates society...
[14:21] [Tom] Original PC DOS came from Digital Research in... California somewhere...
[14:21] [DLM] Then came MS-DOS...
[14:22] [ChrisD] Nope, Digital Research was the inventor of CP/M
[14:22] [Tom] Yes... that too... funny story on that... Intel tossed it... said the guy could have it...
[14:23] [ChrisD] When IBM needed an operating system to their PC in 1981 they went to DR, but they were so big at the time, that they left the IBM folks waiting for hours before they were alowed inside the office.
[14:24] [ChrisD] that made IBM so mad that they went to Bill Gates, which invented MS Basic and asked him to make a DOS
[14:24] [Tom] They not big anymore...
[14:24] [Quaxo] So, DR-Dos means Digital Research DOS? I didn't know that... :-o
[14:24] [ChrisD] He had no dos but bought Seatlle DOS for next to nothing and altered it into MS DOS 2.0
[14:25] [Tom] I know that Gates & the DR guy was buddies until that time...
[14:25] [FlyBert] Back in about 5 min, folks. Mom-time.
[14:25] [ChrisD] mom-time?
[14:25] [Tom] They had made products that complimented each other's stuff until then.
[14:25] [Quaxo] Chris, I think Bob's going to help his mother
[14:25] [ChrisD] DR Dos came later after CP/M was laid off.
[14:25] [ChrisD] ok
[14:26] [Tom] His mom is in her 80s... needs lots of help.
[14:27] [Tom] I was all read up on the early PC stuff at one time... some of it has gone with old age.
[14:27] [ChrisD] until 1981 THE system was CP/M (Control Program for Microcomputers) written for the Intel 8080 CPU. Z80 from Zilog came a Year after and included the 87 instructions from 8080 so Z80 could be used with CP/M as well
[14:28] [DLM] Tom, did you ever see Windows 1.0 ?
[14:28] [Quaxo] Daniel, wasn't it the Windows where windows couldn't overlap? :)
[14:28] [Tom] NO... started with W/95... Apples & Amigas before that... and of course a few DEC & IBM large scale minis. [14:29] *** Eddie has joined #fu3
[14:29] [DLM] I first saw Windows 2.0
[14:29] [Quaxo] My first computer was a Commodore 16... I learnt Basic and, later, Assembly on that little machine...
[14:29] [Eddie] Heyo you guys still here!!
[14:29] [Quaxo] Hello Eddie!
[14:29] [Eddie] commodore 64
[14:29] [ChrisD] hello Eddie, welcome back
[14:29] [Tom] Hi again.
[14:30] [Eddie] hi all
[14:30] [Eddie] I still play a few games on the 64
[14:30] [DLM] Cristian, haven´t heard about it, what fo you know about it?
[14:30] [DLM] *do*
[14:30] [DLM] Hi Eddie
[14:30] [Tom] I thought about a lot of the early stuff... but didn't have the free cash until the Apple...
[14:31] [Quaxo] Daniel, I tried Windows 1.0 when I was searching for something to put on my T1600 laptop. I should still have the disc image of it, if you want it I can send it to you.
[14:31] [Tom] Then I picked the Apple because it ran A2-FS1... the only flight sim of the time.
[14:31] [Quaxo] It was similar to Win 2.0, but windows couldn't overlap.
[14:31] [DLM] As long as it´s not illegal !?
[14:32] [Quaxo] Daniel, I don't think anyone will ever make money with it anymore. Anyway, I found it on the web; there's a site which has Win1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11 and so on... If you want, I can give you the URL, so you can see for yourself...
[14:33] [DLM] That would be fun! yes please!
[14:33] [Eddie] Cya'll going to Emma field & fly now!!!!
[14:33] [ChrisD] 3.11 Windows for WorkGroups, gosh ;-)
[14:33] [DLM] Ok
[14:34] [Quaxo] Daniel, try this: http://www.btinternet.com/%7Ewoofgbr/index.htm and let me know if it works for you...
[14:35] [Quaxo] Chris, WFW3.11 was the first "graphic" OS I had in the PC. I liked that...
[14:35] [Quaxo] It was small! (14 Mb)
[14:35] [DLM] Woof`s Windoze page ;-)
[14:36] [ChrisD] nice cartoon strip
[14:36] [Quaxo] OK Daniel! See how many OS's? :)
[14:36] [DLM] 7
[14:36] [Quaxo] Chris, yes, the Tech Guy... Funny! :)
[14:37] [DLM] Matrix style :-)
[14:37] [ChrisD] right he is, most problems exist between the chair and the keyboard..
[14:38] [FlyBert] I'm back. And yes, mom is almost 88 and in a wheelchair. Needs plenty of help.
[14:38] [FlyBert] (So do I.) ;)
[14:38] [Quaxo] Chris, I know... I'm a "tech guy" myself, and I get lots of silly questions!
[14:38] [Rich_W] Hey, UF!
[14:39] [ChrisD] I once went to help a Guy who had just got his computer. I would not boot. Guess what? He had managed to put the 5 1/2 inch floppy in between the 2 drives.
[14:39] [Rich_W] I've got that open in another window, it's a small web after all.
[14:39] [Quaxo] :)
[14:41] [Quaxo] Often people asks "Why do I get this message when opening this photo"? I say "With which program did you open it?" And they always answer "None, it just plain opens..."
[14:41] [ChrisD] Keyboard Error, press F1 to continue. ----
[14:42] [DLM] LOL
[14:42] [ChrisD] :-)
[14:42] [ChrisD] I should be crying, it is a real Error msg from Windows...
[14:43] [DLM] I had it once during boot...
[14:43] [ChrisD] there You see..
[14:43] [Quaxo] Chris, I've seen that message often, right after the POST, if the system detects no keyboard, it says to press F1! I would like to talk with the guy who programmed that...
[14:44] [ChrisD] We actually pay money for that cr..p. Interesting, is it not?
[14:44] [Quaxo] Anyway, it's not a Windows thing, it's a BIOS thing...
[14:44] [ChrisD] OK, got me there
[14:45] [Rich_W] Buried away in the Linux source code somewhere there is a line saying something like: "printf("Display error\n"); /*Noone will ever see this*/"
[14:45] [ChrisD] 100% right
[14:45] [Quaxo] :-)
[14:46] [Quaxo] Unless you redirect standard output to a file...
[14:46] [ChrisD] In the good old days of CP/M that message could actually be seen.
[14:46] [Rich_W] Incidentally, why couldn't British Airways use a font like Arial on their aircraft? I've spent about six hours now trying to create a font similar to theirs...
[14:47] [Quaxo] Well, if the Display Error isn't catastrophic, it can manage to print some text...
[14:47] [ChrisD] all screen output could be duplicated to the printer as well.
[14:48] [ChrisD] the first computer I worked with had no crt, just a teletype at 110 Baud
[14:48] [Quaxo] Chris, something like "Open 4,4: Cmd 4" in the Commodore? :)
[14:48] [ChrisD] I wouldn't know, I never had a Commodore.
[14:49] [Quaxo] I had it, but never had a printer... But that line was supposed to redirect output to the printer...
[14:50] [Quaxo] Rich, concerning your repaint: you could still make it with Arial, then send a screenshot to the BA guys... Maybe they'll change the liveries for you! :)
[14:50] [ChrisD] In 1970 I went to evening class learning BASIC.
[14:50] [Rich_W] Heh, I wish :-)
[14:50] [ChrisD] We had a terminal connected throug the telco to Copenhagen ØK Data.
[14:51] [ChrisD] Programs were sent by means of teletype. We punched papertapes with the programs.
[14:52] [Tom] Teletype... been there!
[14:52] [DLM] Rich, why dont´t you make the repaint from a real photo? That´s what i do to make it look right.
[14:52] [Quaxo] Most people wouldn't believe that once computers didn't have keyboards nor monitors, but just punched sheets...
[14:53] [Quaxo] For both input and output! :)
[14:53] [ChrisD] the 80 column punch card was a big invention
[14:53] [Quaxo] Was it the one used with Fortran?
[14:53] [Rich_W] DLM - I've tried that, but I just can't get rid of the blockiness. I'm just a bit of a perfectionist really.
[14:54] [ChrisD] they could be used with any language, they were just carriers of text 80 chrs per card.
[14:54] [Tom] Ahhh... FORTRAN... COBOL... RPG... BASIC... Pascal... no your talking my language(s)
[14:54] [ChrisD] Turbo Pascal, remember?
[14:55] [Rich_W] FORTRAN? aargh!
[14:55] [ChrisD] Formula Translation
[14:55] [ChrisD] used for echonimic tasks
[14:55] [Quaxo] I hated the logical operators... where ] became .gt. ...
[14:55] [DLM] Have you downloaded my Beechjet SAS repaint or my 747 Air France repaint? They where both made from real photos, IMO look really good(?)
[14:55] [Tom] I used VAX Pascal... RSTS Pascal... RSX Pascal... Apple Pascal... but no turbo...
[14:56] [Tom] I'll have to check those out...
[14:56] [Rich_W] I was forced to do that at Uni, I hated it with a passion. Unfortunately I still come across it at work occasionally.
[14:56] [ChrisD] Could be obtained from Borland.
[14:57] [ChrisD] Borland Turbo Pascal can make this 286 of Yours spin.
[14:57] [DLM] brb
[14:58] [Rich_W] DLM - My first go at the Virgin scheme used real photos...
[14:58] [Quaxo] I still have the Turbo Pascal disks from my Uni days (not so long ago after all...) But it took a lot of space, wouldn't fit on my 286! I should remove Word...
[14:59] [ChrisD] be back just checking my files
[15:04] [ChrisD] turbo.exe is on one floppy only. Got to find it
[15:05] [DLM] Rich, Okay i see...
[15:05] [Rich_W] Probably would do a cut+paste job if I could find decent source material.
[15:05] [Quaxo] I've just seen Glidernut's last post in the forum... I hope this won't become another flame war!
[15:06] [phil] Guys, I'll be off now, sorry I didn't contribute much. "Till next time
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[15:06] [Quaxo] Bye Phil...
[15:07] [Rich_W] Bye then Phil.
[15:07] [Quaxo] ... Too late...
[15:07] [Tom] He is off to run some NR2003...
[15:08] [FlyBert] Question...
[15:08] [Tom] ?
[15:08] [FlyBert] Has anyone here gotten into force feedback and NOT cared for it?
[15:08] [FlyBert] (Besides you, Tom.) ;)
[15:08] [Tom] Me
[15:08] [FlyBert] Beat ya. :)
[15:09] [Rich_W] Never used it on a PC.
[15:09] [FlyBert] The silence is deafening...
[15:09] [FlyBert] Don't bother, Rich! :)
[15:09] [Quaxo] Bob, I tried FF, but didn't like it so much... Didn't feel "real" to me. I don't know if it was the joystick's or the program's fault though... The control was sloppy...
[15:09] [Rich_W] That figures.
[15:09] [FlyBert] Maybe in a wheel, I dunno.
[15:09] [FlyBert] Butin a stick, in racing sims, it's just a hindrance.
[15:10] [FlyBert] Same here, Cristian.
[15:10] [Quaxo] Bob, what's a hindrance?
[15:10] [FlyBert] It's just a disturbance, and hanpers you control.
[15:10] [FlyBert] "hinder"... to hold back.
[15:10] [Quaxo] Thanks! :)
[15:10] [FlyBert] :)
[15:11] [Tom] Cristian... I agree... especially the part about lack of control.
[15:11] [FlyBert] In 4x4 EVO2, a pickum-up truck racer, the forces will rip the stick right out of my hand.
[15:11] [Quaxo] I once read of a guy who home-built a FF yoke... He used powerful motors (much more powerful than the standard ones), he said it was working great... Maybe I should try that!
[15:12] [Rich_W] I only just bought a stick with rudder and throttle on it. I've been happily using my old 2-axis Logitech Wingman for five years.
[15:12] [Rich_W] Not going to upgrade again for a bit :-)
[15:12] [FlyBert] I tried it in FU3... felt nothing in flight, which kinda makes sense...
[15:12] [FlyBert] ...the drove the Renegade STRAIGHT INTO THE GROUND. That I felt.
[15:13] [Quaxo] I still have 2 CH joystick, one for ailerons/elevator, and one for rudder/throttle. They're ugly but reliable and solid and precise, I won't change them until they break.
[15:13] [Tom] I use a Saitek X45 for flightsimming... A MS Precision 2 for everything else.
[15:13] [Rich_W] It was only when the Logitech finally gave up that I changed.
[15:13] [FlyBert] I like CH, though the FFB is a Saitek Cyborg Force, and the stick I use exclusively now is a Saitek Cyborg Gold.
[15:13] [FlyBert] Ilove it.
[15:14] [Quaxo] My CH's have almost five years, too, but still healthy... :) I like that the controls are arranged like in my RC aircraft.
[15:14] [FlyBert] My first stick was a CH F0-16 Combatstick. Greatstick!
[15:14] [FlyBert] Dang space bar... or thumb.
[15:14] [Tom] brb
[15:14] [ChrisD] have been using ch virtual pilot pro plus rudder pedals for the last 3 yrs.
[15:14] [Rich_W] Any of you lot use rudder pedals?
[15:15] [Rich_W] Ah.
[15:15] [ChrisD] only snag, i miss the toebrakes
[15:15] [Rich_W] Are the pedals worth investing in then?
[15:15] [ChrisD] Yes! definately.
[15:16] [Quaxo] Never had pedals. I don't want to add other stuff under my desk, it's already more than full! :) And anyway, I have a nice proportional rudder control with my joystick, so I really don't feel the need for pedals...
[15:16] [FlyBert] No pedals here... not enough feet.
[15:16] [ChrisD] Gives You all the controls in a real plane, less flaps and trim wheel
[15:16] [Rich_W] I could see the lack of toebrakes being a problem though.
[15:17] [FlyBert] The Saitek has twist-stick for rudder... works darn well.
[15:17] [Rich_W] So does my MS Sidewinder. It added a whole new dimension to flying :-)
[15:17] [Quaxo] Bob, I don't like that either... A twist stick doesn't seem real to me, just like the "wheel" throttles.
[15:18] [FlyBert] No, not realistic, but I have no choice.
[15:18] [Quaxo] But some microlights I saw were adapted for people on armchairs, and had a twisting stick instead of the rudder pedals...
[15:18] [Quaxo] They were Sky Arrows I think...
[15:18] [FlyBert] If they made real cars with joysticks, I'd be in business! :)
[15:18] [FlyBert] (Actually, I think they do.)
[15:19] [Rich_W] They tend to cost a bit though I'll bet.
[15:19] [Quaxo] There was a Mercedes if I'm not mistaken? which had 3 sticks...
[15:19] [ChrisD] they do
[15:19] [FlyBert] There are some pretty sophisticated manual controls for cars now.
[15:19] [FlyBert] Er, "hand" controls, I mean.
[15:20] [Quaxo] Drive-by-wire... :)
[15:20] [ChrisD] I actually seen a car with one joystick
[15:20] [Tom] Bob my dad drove for years with one foot... his right one wasn't usable for driving... hardly usable for walking...
[15:20] [ChrisD] speeder, steering wheel and brakes, all in one.
[15:20] [Rich_W] Seem to remember seeing one myself at the Earl's Court motorshow in the '80s
[15:21] [Quaxo] The car I saw (well, I only saw its photos) had 3 sticks: one on the left door, one on the right, one in the middle. So you could drive from any of the front seats, and with any hand.
[15:21] [Quaxo] You just needed one to drive though
[15:22] [Rich_W] I can see that leading to arguments though...
[15:22] [Quaxo] As for "who gets control"?
[15:22] [ChrisD] Man at the wheel asking: Who is driving You or the Mother-in-law?
[15:23] [Quaxo] I wonder what happens if one turns a joystick to the left, and another to the right... :)
[15:23] [FlyBert] Trouble? ;)
[15:23] [ChrisD] Well, in a DHC-7 You could do just that
[15:23] [Quaxo] What, Chris?
[15:24] [Rich_W] You can do that in the A320.
[15:24] [ChrisD] In the DeHavilland Dash 7 the two steering colums can be disconnected in case of a jam
[15:25] [ChrisD] each column then controlled one aileron
[15:25] [Quaxo] Chris, I see... But there was no fly-by-wire in that aircraft...!
[15:25] [Rich_W] All done with a spanner?
[15:25] [ChrisD] Oh Yes, steel wires :-)
[15:25] [Quaxo] And I hope each joystick doesn't control a wheel in that car! :)
[15:25] [Rich_W] Could lead to excessive tire wear.
[15:26] [Quaxo] And to unexpected headaches.
[15:26] [ChrisD] No there was a handle named column disconnect. Was tested at each inspection
[15:27] [Rich_W] For the life of me I can't remember how the A320 sorted out who was in control. I seem to recall there being a pushbutton on the control stick, but I'm not 100% on that.
[15:27] [ChrisD] Normally both steering columns are tied together mechanically
[15:27] [Quaxo] Rich, I thought that the sticks in the A320 were "hard-connected"...
[15:28] [ChrisD] that goes for the steering wheels too.
[15:28] [Quaxo] Chris, an off-topic question... Why did you choose that nickname? "D" isn't the first letter of your last name...
[15:28] [ChrisD] each controlled one aileron and one elevator.
[15:28] [Rich_W] They're sidesticks. Basically a glorified joystick. There's no mechanical link as far as I can remember.
[15:29] [ChrisD] I have 2 first names. my first is Christian the second is Dahl. That's why :-)
[15:30] [Quaxo] Oh, I see! It took me a while to realize who you are... ;-)
[15:30] [ChrisD] wondered how I knew of Your new Mainboard :-)
[15:30] [FlyBert] If we're gonna ask about nickname origins, whar'd "Quaxo" come from?
[15:30] [DLM] Confusing indeed...
[15:31] [Quaxo] Well, I talked about it first...
[15:31] [FlyBert] And DLM's "M"? Hm? :)
[15:31] [Rich_W] At least there's no mystery with me. Not here anyway :-)
[15:31] [Tom] A cat.
[15:31] [Quaxo] Bob: "Quaxo", also known as "Mr. Mistoffelees", is a character from Andrew Lloyd Webber's famous musical "Cats". I always liked cats, and I liked that character, so... :)
[15:32] [FlyBert] Ah, okay.
[15:32] * FlyBert loves cats! :)
[15:32] [Tom] Holly says Hi...
[15:32] [Tom] (Me a dog person)
[15:32] [FlyBert] Holly! FETCH! ;)
[15:32] [Quaxo] Hello Holly!
[15:32] [DLM] Mine is: D aniel L indströ M = DLM, See!?
[15:33] [FlyBert] Ah, the last letter.
[15:33] * FlyBert takes notes. ;)
[15:33] [DLM] Yepp!
[15:33] [DLM] ;-)
[15:33] [Quaxo] One of my cats is going to have kittens... Anyone wants one?
[15:33] [ChrisD] all the myths disapear
[15:33] [ChrisD] one of, how many cats do You have?
[15:33] [FlyBert] I'd love to have a cat again... but it's impossible to care for with both me & mom in wheelchairs...
[15:33] [DLM] Can you mail me one? ;-)
[15:34] [Tom] No thanks... we have been catless since Rocky died at age 19...
[15:34] [Quaxo] Daniel, OK, I'll zip it...
[15:34] [Rich_W] Will it survive Royal Mail?
[15:34] [FlyBert] Plus, the last one's deat destroyed me! :(
[15:34] [FlyBert] *death
[15:34] [DLM] Please don´t Cristian!!
[15:34] [ChrisD] how can a cat destroy a man?
[15:35] [FlyBert] Major grief, Chris.
[15:35] [FlyBert] I'm a wuss.
[15:35] [FlyBert] Pet deaths wipe me out more than relative's deaths do. :\
[15:36] [Tom] With some relatives that is understandable.
[15:36] [FlyBert] Then again, considering the relatives... ;)
[15:36] [FlyBert] Tom beat me to it.
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[15:38] [ChrisD] my log just froze
[15:38] [FlyBert] Two of you...
[15:39] [FlyBert] Something must have gone haywire.
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[15:39] [DLM] At the same time!
[15:39] [Quaxo] Sorry, this thing just freezed...
[15:39] [ChrisD] i was answering FlyBert, but the msg never got on the screen
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[15:39] [Quaxo] So it was not only me?
[15:39] [DLM] ?
[15:40] [Tom] We have a communicable desease here?
[15:40] [ChrisD] nop, i went the same way --- out
[15:40] [DLM] Three of you and counting...
[15:40] [Rich_W_] Heh, reminds me of the bad old days of Geocities IRC...
[15:40] [Quaxo] I was trying to answer to Chris, but the message never appeared. Anyway, Chris: I have 3 "official" cats, but 2 others often come into the house...
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[15:41] [ChrisD] I only got 1. He is now 11 yrs.
[15:41] [Quaxo] Is it the one I saw in the photo?
[15:41] [ChrisD] he is my 3rd.
[15:41] [ChrisD] Yep
[15:42] [Quaxo] He's a nice cat! :) I'll send you a "group photo" of mine saying "Cheese"...
[15:42] [ChrisD] thx :-)
[15:42] [FlyBert] Staggerwing is also a big fan of cats.
[15:43] [Quaxo] Stag is a nice guy :) !
[15:43] [ChrisD] FlyBert a cat can live for 20 Yrs, I am now 49, so one has to say 'goodbye' to a cat sometime.
[15:43] [FlyBert] He's a good friend of mine.
[15:43] [FlyBert] Yeah, I realize that, Chris. Doesn't make it easy, though.
[15:44] [FlyBert] I'm 53, going on 80. :)
[15:44] [ChrisD] no, I know I will get hard to live with for a long while, when he goes.
[15:44] [Quaxo] The worst thing was when an evil neighbour poisoned one of my cats... She was my favourite... :-(
[15:45] [Quaxo] I mean, it's not natural. When a cat is 20 you know he can die, but she was young...
[15:45] [FlyBert] "Time heals all wounds", and it's been about 4 years or so. So I'm over the hardgrief, but I still miss her of course.
[15:45] [FlyBert] For awhile I couldn't look at pics of her.
[15:46] [FlyBert] POISONED! ARRRGH!
[15:46] [ChrisD] Couldn't You make 'something' happend to something belonging to You 'neighbour'? Something nasty.
[15:46] * FlyBert rears up in fury!
[15:46] [DLM] How can someone do that?
[15:47] [Tom] You are not allowed to poisen neighbors... good thing or some of mine would be in big trouble.
[15:47] [ChrisD] some people are just plain evil
[15:47] [Quaxo] Chris, I honestly thought about that. Those days I was looking at his car with bad intenctions... But than, that wouldn't bring her back, but just start a war...
[15:48] [FlyBert] Yes... one has to watch out. Wars with neighbors are *not* fun.
[15:48] [Quaxo] Tom, actually, you aren't even allowed to poison animals - but people just don't care...
[15:48] [ChrisD] You could always give him the finger FU when You see him. or tell the other neighbors hwat a sh..tass he is.
[15:48] [Tom] Cristian... yes... but the penalties get larger for people.
[15:49] [Quaxo] Chris, the other neighbours were happy for what happened. People in my block didn't like animals at all. Fortunately now I moved to another part of town...
[15:49] [FlyBert] Ah, moved. ::whew::
[15:50] [Quaxo] Yes, Bob, now we're safe :) ! Ny new neighbors don't love animals either, but they're not evil... :)
[15:50] [Tom] You live in Rome... right?
[15:50] [Quaxo] Tom, not really in Rome, it's a small town (8000 people) 30 Km north of Rome.
[15:51] [DLM] What was its name again?
[15:51] [Tom] OH... like I'm not in Denver... about 15 miles NW of it.
[15:51] [ChrisD] What kind of neighbors are that, glad You moved. I couldn't live there, I would fight the neighbors 24/7
[15:51] [Quaxo] Here I can have a garden, where I can also grow my carrots! ;)
[15:52] [DLM] Nice!
[15:52] [Quaxo] Cris, actually, it WAS a fight 24/7. But the problem is that in our building there were 25 families; and we were the only one with animals. Funny, eh?
[15:52] [Quaxo] Daniel, the name of what?
[15:52] [ChrisD] hmmm. pass.
[15:53] [FlyBert] Iused to do vegetable (and flower) gardening... great fun.
[15:53] [DLM] The town of where you live
[15:53] [FlyBert] Hm, door... BRB
[15:53] [Quaxo] Daniel, it's called Rignano Flaminio. But you won't find it on maps, unless you have GOOD maps! :)
[15:54] [Quaxo] I was wandering... The door? At this time?!? I always forget it's afternoon in the USA...! :)
[15:54] [DLM] If i can find the map i bought when i was in Italy last time i´m pretty sure i would find it! (It was a GOOD map)
[15:54] [Tom] Nearly 5 here now.
[15:55] [DLM] Me too Cristian ;-)
[15:55] [Tom] (4 for Bob)
[15:55] [ChrisD] 1 am for me
[15:55] [Quaxo] 1:00 am here... People don't come to visit you at this time! :)
[15:55] [Quaxo] I'm glad they don't!
[15:55] [Tom] I should hope not.
[15:56] [Quaxo] If they do, it's either great friends or bad news...
[15:56] [ChrisD] Sorry DLM but how can the time be 5 by You now?
[15:56] [Tom] Or relatives... same thing...
[15:56] [DLM] ?
[15:57] [DLM] brb
[15:57] [Quaxo] Chris, "Me too" was referring to me, not to Tom...
[15:57] [Tom] Think he meant me...
[15:57] [ChrisD] yep
[15:57] [Tom] It is about 3 min to 5 PM here in Colorado.
[15:58] [ChrisD] You are on Mountain Time, right?
[15:58] [Eddie] Heyo u guys still here!!!?
[15:58] [DLM] but i said "Cristian" ??
[15:58] [DLM] Hi Eddie!
[15:59] [Rich_W] Still here Eddie, one eye on this screen, one on the other.
[15:59] [DLM] Will you stay here longer this time?
[15:59] [Quaxo] Tom, you live in Broomfield, right?
[15:59] [Eddie] same here in 2 chats!
[15:59] [Tom] That is right Cristian.
[16:00] [Quaxo] I have it on-screen in my Microsoft Atlas right now... There's "Cozy Corner" written next to it... What's that? :=)
[16:01] [Tom] Don't know... motel or resturant I'd guess... not familiar with it.
[16:01] [ChrisD] what's Your 20?
[16:01] [Quaxo] It's in the 120th Av.
[16:01] [Tom] CB talk?
[16:02] [Quaxo] ChrisD: ?!?
[16:02] [ChrisD] Yes, I was aking for Your location Tom
[16:02] [Tom] 120th I do know... the main East-West highway here (even though it is basically a North-South Highway).
[16:03] [Tom] I am in Broomfield Colorado... USA
[16:03] [Tom] About 15 miles NW of Denver.
[16:03] [FlyBert] I'm back... just some religious types at the door.
[16:03] [Quaxo] This Microsoft atlas is pretty much detailed... :)
[16:03] [Tom] Do you see a Lowell Blvd?
[16:03] [ChrisD] tnx, I am 10 Kms SE of Aalborg Denmark
[16:03] [Tom] Ah so.
[16:04] [FlyBert] ChrisD... where are you? Europe, apparently.
[16:04] [DLM] Denmark?
[16:04] [ChrisD] Denmark, try MapBlast. It is actuallly there :-)
[16:04] [FlyBert] Ah, he answered before I asked! :)
[16:04] [Quaxo] Tom, no, Sheridan Blvd, Federal, Wadsworth... But no Lowell.
[16:05] [Tom] Look about a mile East of Sheridan...
[16:05] [FlyBert] I'm in Los Angeles, but half of me blood-wise is in my mother's homelqand, Norway!
[16:05] [Quaxo] It's not SO detailed! :)
[16:05] [Tom] about a 1/4 mile West of Federal
[16:05] [ChrisD] not far from here, about 100 km north of Jutland
[16:06] [Quaxo] Tom, it's missing... Why, you live there?
[16:06] [FlyBert] Exactly. I know Euroe well... a map freak, and quite dedicated to Scandinavia.
[16:06] [ChrisD] Norway is located 120 kms due north from where I live
[16:06] [FlyBert] *Europe (I need a new keyboard!)
[16:06] [Tom] It runs just North from 120th... I'm about a 1/2 mile West of Lowell.... off of 124th...
[16:07] [FlyBert] Those Lillehammer Olympics were the greatest! :)
[16:07] [DLM] I guess my map isn´t that detailed, i can´t find Denmark...
[16:07] [Quaxo] :)
[16:08] [Tom] You lost a whole country! (LOL)
[16:08] [FlyBert] Can't... find... Denmark? Ah, Daniel.... :)
[16:08] [ChrisD] Sure You can, Loc 57 degrees North lattitude 10 degrees East Longitude
[16:08] [FlyBert] Look over your right shoulder. :)
[16:08] [ChrisD] I am less tha 1 km away from that point.
[16:08] [Quaxo] Chris, you're in Gistrup, right? I have found it... :)
[16:08] [DLM] Just kiddin´ guys ;-)
[16:08] [FlyBert] ::whew:: ;)
[16:09] [Rich_W] I was about to make some remark about "two hands and a flashlight"...
[16:09] [FlyBert] :)
[16:09] [ChrisD] Yes, I am actually 2 km south of Gistrup, on the south side of the forest south of Gistrup
[16:10] [Quaxo] And AAlborg is written Ålborg!
[16:11] [Quaxo] I've always wondered what's the "sound" of your language... I've never heard anyone talking it...
[16:11] [Quaxo] *speaking*
[16:11] [ChrisD] That is a mistake. Å is pronounced like the English OH! Before 1948 this was written AA
[16:12] [ChrisD] When they introduced the Å all cities with aa in their names could decide if they want the new Å or keep the old AA
[16:12] [Quaxo] In my map there are a lot of towns with the Å...
[16:13] [Quaxo] I can't find any with AA. But there's one with ÅA... Maybe my map's all wrong!
[16:13] [ChrisD] Look 110 Km south of Aalborg and You will find Århus. They decided to switch to the new Å, we didn't. Aalborg is how it is spelled.
[16:13] [FlyBert] My mom gets tweaked by that "aa"... says it's "å", "What's so hard about THAT?" Good ol' mom. :)
[16:14] [ChrisD] Your Mother is right, FlyBert. Nothing strange 'bout this, when You know :-)
[16:15] [ChrisD] FlyBert, is You mother Norvegian?
[16:15] [Quaxo] There's a town called Asåa... What was it called before?
[16:15] [FlyBert] Yes, full Norwegian, born in Kristiania (now Oslo) in 1915.
[16:16] [FlyBert] Maiden name Hendriksen.
[16:16] [ChrisD] That town is Aså today, was Asaa before 1948
[16:17] [ChrisD] De var koseligt, give her my regards here from 'ol Scandinavia
[16:17] [Quaxo] OK then my map is definitely wrong! :)
[16:18] [DLM] I have heard Ålborg beeing pronounced as Alborg, AAlborg and Ålborg...but that´s in Sweden on the other hand..
[16:18] [Quaxo] How do you pronounce the ø ?
[16:18] [ChrisD] They get it mixed up all the time. in 1969 we got a tunnel crossing the Limfjord. for 20 Years the signs said Ålborg. They are finally corrected.
[16:20] [ChrisD] To say Aalborg, try saying all with a short l sound then borg like the Sweedish tennis player Bjørn Borg
[16:20] [DLM] Cristian, Have you seen any of the "Pink panther" movies?
[16:21] [Quaxo] Daniel, no...
[16:21] [ChrisD] Quaxo try saying The Flower. The last sound You say pronouncing the is the ø in Danish
[16:22] [DLM] Too bad.. that could have given you a good idea of the letter ö
[16:22] [Quaxo] Weird, trying to guess sounds using another foreign language (English)... :)
[16:23] [DLM] A mix of french and english actually!
[16:23] [Quaxo] You should record your own voice and upload it in the library! :)
[16:23] [DLM] My voice!
[16:23] [ChrisD] Know what Ø means? Ok, Island in English.
[16:23] [DLM] ø = ö
[16:24] [ChrisD] almost
[16:24] [DLM] ?
[16:24] [ChrisD] ö is just the sweedish way of saying ø
[16:25] [DLM] ø is the danish way of saying ö
[16:25] [FlyBert] Mom sez that one is for printed writing in Norwegian, the other for longhand.
[16:25] [Quaxo] I knew that ö in Swedish was Island... So it seems they're really the same language! :)
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[16:25] [ChrisD] Not all that different. Norwegian and Danish are closer though.
[16:25] [FlyBert] Howdy Shamrock!
[16:26] [Quaxo] And å means "stream", right?
[16:26] [ChrisD] Right Quaxo
[16:26] [DLM] Yepp
[16:26] [Quaxo] It's a language full of short words... :)
[16:26] [ChrisD] nope
[16:27] [ChrisD] english is actually easier than Danish, both to say and write.
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[16:27] [ChrisD] but if You learn it from child, it is not bad
[16:27] [Quaxo] English is a rather "straight" language, I think it's one of the easiest...
[16:28] [ChrisD] that might be why it is used so much. Seems that every 'foreigner' can learn to speak English more or less
[16:28] [Rich_W] Sorry guys, I'm going to have to leave you. Bed calls.
[16:29] [Eddie] Cya
[16:29] [Quaxo] Goodnight Rich... See you! :)
[16:29] [ChrisD] pleasent dreams
[16:29] [Tom] Night Rich.
[16:29] [DLM] Bye!
[16:29] [FlyBert] Bye Rich!
[16:29] [Rich_W] Cristan, I'll see if I can fix the beacons tomorrow. I'll certainly try and do it before monday night.
[16:30] [Rich_W] Seeya'll later now.
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[16:30] [FlyBert] You think English is easy, Cristian? Wow... it has a reputation for being hard.
[16:30] [ChrisD] the list is dwindeling
[16:31] [Quaxo] Bob, I've tried studying French, Russian, and Polish, and I know Italian pretty well... and English is the easiest of these I think...
[16:31] [Quaxo] But it's difficult to know the exact pronounce
[16:32] [Eddie] Gots to go - supper time here - Cya'll later!
[16:32] [Quaxo] Italian is full of exceptions
[16:32] [ChrisD] FlyBert, English is my second native language. No big problems. Of course You will find words I do not know, but I know enough to get along. :-)
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[16:32] [Quaxo] Bye Eddie!
[16:33] [FlyBert] I learned some French in high school (think pre-history), and didn't think of it for years.
[16:33] [FlyBert] Then a few years ago, a lot started coming back.
[16:33] [Quaxo] Coming back? Why?
[16:34] [FlyBert] I don't udertsna much spoken French, but I can read itfairly well.
[16:34] [ChrisD] It was there all the time :-)
[16:34] [FlyBert] Could probablysurvive if visiting there.
[16:34] [Quaxo] Bob, you definitely need a new keyboard :-D !
[16:34] [FlyBert] GREAT spelling of "understand"! :)
[16:34] * FlyBert needsnew FINGERS!
[16:35] [FlyBert] Or possibly a brain.
[16:35] [Tom] Yeah, Bob, your keyboard is giving mine ideas!
[16:35] [ChrisD] French is hard for me to learn because french is another language-path called Roman, right Quaxo?
[16:35] [FlyBert] Qu'est-ce que c'est? [== my favorite French line.
[16:35] [Quaxo] It derives from Latin, like Italian and Spanish... In fact its structures are very similart
[16:37] [ChrisD] Danish is from the Germanian Language tribe.
[16:39] [Tom] The Daytona 500 is tomorrow... if anyone (besides me) cares...
[16:40] [Quaxo] I would care... But we don't see it in Italy!
[16:40] [ChrisD] Yeah, but how are we going to watch?
[16:40] [ChrisD] Whjich channel?
[16:41] [Tom] I dunno... got a dish? (Fox 31 here)
[16:41] [Quaxo] No satellite yet here... :-(
[16:41] [ChrisD] FlyBert You are not the only one needing a 'keyboard fix' :-)
[16:41] [ChrisD] Finger troubles, I call it.
[16:42] [FlyBert] :)
[16:42] [Quaxo] Hey Bob, by the way, I'm still waiting for you to explain the "numbered postcards"... :)
[16:44] [ChrisD] Tom, sorry FOX 31 cannot reach so far. Got to find another satellite.
[16:45] [ChrisD] got to be one east of 42W
[16:46] [FlyBert] Yeah, Cristian, you can imagine how embarrassed I am about that.
[16:46] [FlyBert] I respond to posts quickly, but e-mail... :(
[16:46] [Quaxo] I was wondering, right now: do TV geostationary satellites have attitude control thrusters? I suppose they should have them, but I can't imagine a TV satellite firing his thrusters... :)
[16:46] [Quaxo] Hey, Bob, I was only joking, please take your time!
[16:46] [FlyBert] And I still owe yo a response to your mail about the subway work, I think it was.
[16:46] [ChrisD] they have
[16:47] [FlyBert] Take my time! I'm over a year behind with mortadell/mozzarella! :)
[16:47] [FlyBert] *mortadella, that is.
[16:47] [Quaxo] Bob, as for the subway work, well, I won't have to come anymore I think... Actually, I'm not employed yet. They didn't call me back...
[16:47] [FlyBert] (Stoopid keyboard.)
[16:48] [Tom] Phil watches NASCAR... and he is in Japan... but he gets the races a week late.
[16:48] [FlyBert] He said he might get to watch a bit of it live, before going to work.
[16:48] [ChrisD] that's why they have a limited lifespan. Power for the TX/RX, no probleo, but fuel supply is limited. When fuel runs out, goodbye bird..
[16:48] [Quaxo] I haven't been able yet to find the gjetost here...
[16:49] [FlyBert] Make a stink atthe market. ;)
[16:49] [FlyBert] Or go visit Daniel. :)
[16:49] [DLM] :-)
[16:49] [Quaxo] Chris, isn't refuelling a possibility? Sending a ship to refuel it should cost less than sending a ship to deliver a new satellite... or not?
[16:49] [ChrisD] Nope, not possibe.
[16:50] [Tom] brb
[16:50] [Quaxo] Because they're in high orbit?
[16:50] [ChrisD] Yes they are at 40.000 kms, no ferry flight can reach that high carrying anything of importance
[16:51] [ChrisD] sorry 36.000 kms
[16:51] [ChrisD] not that it makes much difference
[16:51] [DLM] Cristian, if you send me the UK CD´s i´ll send you the famous "Getost" in return ;-)
[16:51] [Quaxo] Yes, I see... But it's a bad thing, having to throw away a satellite just because it runs out of fuel.
[16:51] [FlyBert] Ah, a deal in the works!!! :)
[16:52] [Quaxo] Talking about running out of fuel: the Galileo probe has almost finished its fuel...
[16:52] [FlyBert] Weird thing about gjetost... we've had a hunk in the back of a drawer in the refrigerator for months... the stuff NEVER molds.
[16:52] [Tom] back
[16:53] [Quaxo] Daniel, really? We might arrange something... :) Are you really intrested in the UK discs?
[16:53] [ChrisD] I think they will use the last gallon to retrofire and make it plummet .
[16:53] [Quaxo] Yes Chris, they'll make it crash into Jupiter, to avoid the possibility of contaminating Europa...
[16:53] [DLM] Bob, that´s right, neither have i seen any mold on it (?)
[16:54] [Quaxo] Bob, a lot of cheeses don't mold... You can store Parmigiano (Parmesan) cheese for years: it will dry, but never mold.
[16:54] [ChrisD] sure nothing can stand the smell of goats, not even mold
[16:54] [ChrisD] :-)
[16:54] [Quaxo] Chris, why, it smells? :)
[16:55] [DLM] Cristian, of course! We´ll have to work something out...
[16:55] [ChrisD] just a joke, goats smell, not the cheese.
[16:56] [FlyBert] Yeah, but parmiagiana is a hard cheese, not sogjetost.
[16:56] [Quaxo] Daniel, the list of UK users is always growing... I think there are about 20 people using it (or waiting to receive it) now...
[16:56] [Tom] Ahhh... did someone mention my name? (lol)
[16:57] [Quaxo] Bob, I thought it was hard... You said it must be eaten in thin slices, I thought it was hard and dry. (oh, and it's not "parmiagiana", but "parmigiano"! :)
[16:57] [FlyBert] Gjetost has s slight odor, but doesn't smell like goats, no!
[16:57] [DLM] It must cost you to send 7 discs times 20 people all over the world ??
[16:57] [FlyBert] I blame the keyboard, Cristian. :)
[16:57] [Quaxo] Tom, don't worry, you're not been forgotten... Just waiting to have the last CD ready!
[16:57] [FlyBert] Besides, here it's "parmesan".
[16:58] [Tom] You should try Greely Colorado... smells like onions in the Fall... pig guts the rest of the time.
[16:58] [Quaxo] Daniel, I usually send the discs for the expenses refund... I really couldn't afford sending so many discs around for free...
[16:58] [ChrisD] FlyBert parmesan, is the same in danish
[16:58] [FlyBert] Try Gilroy, California... you can smell the garlic from dang near San Francisco!
[16:59] [DLM] How does that work?
[16:59] [FlyBert] It's "parmesan" in Danish? I *love* Danish! ;)
[16:59] [Tom] Cristian... I never figured I'd been forgotten...
[16:59] [Quaxo] Why, oh why, do these chats always end up talking about cheese? :-)
[16:59] [Quaxo] "Cheese Unlimited 3"
[16:59] [ChrisD] I did not start, honest..
[16:59] [DLM] It´s "Parmesan" in swedish too
[16:59] [Tom] I love Danish too... but fattening!
[17:00] [FlyBert] Next time.... "Join us in IRC for a Cheese Unlimited chat!" :)
[17:00] [Quaxo] Hey guys, you're all wrong... It's italian, so it's "Parmigiano", period! ;-)
[17:00] [DLM] :-P
[17:01] [FlyBert] Cristian... here we have the same product (packaged the same, I mean), but it's a sharper cheese called "Romano". I assume you have it too, what's it called?
[17:01] [FlyBert] Er, what';s it PROPERLY called? :)
[17:02] [ChrisD] Maybe quaxo, but after having travelled all the way from Italy to Denmark the chees has 'forgotten' what its name was, so we had to come up with something.
[17:02] [Quaxo] Bob, Romano here is "pecorino" cheese (made with sheep's milk), while Parmigiano is made of cow milk... Is this the same Romano you have?
[17:02] [DLM] Anyone heard of "Havarti" ? I LOVE it! Mmmm...
[17:03] [DLM] Smells though...
[17:03] [ChrisD] Sue Havarti is a Danish cheese.
[17:03] [FlyBert] Idon't know, Cristian...
[17:03] [FlyBert] Like I said, it seems the same suff, only stronger, sharper.
[17:03] [ChrisD] Smells, that depends on how long You stock it.
[17:03] [DLM] Yeah that´s true now when you mention it!
[17:03] * FlyBert loves Havarti!
[17:03] [DLM] :-)
[17:04] [Tom] I knew her... she was in my 10th grade geography class!
[17:04] [FlyBert] :)
[17:04] [ChrisD] You don't say.
[17:04] [Quaxo] Bob, Pecorino has a totally different taste. It comes in three types: fresh, semi-fresh, and dry.
[17:04] [DLM] Bob, We share the same taste in chees i see ;-)
[17:04] [FlyBert] Not many cheeses I don't like.
[17:04] [Tom] Bob... sodium... think sodium...
[17:04] [FlyBert] Soft cheeses... brie, camembert... excellent.
[17:05] [FlyBert] Yeah, I know, Tom. :(
[17:05] [Quaxo] I still haven't found a cheese I don't like... :)
[17:05] [ChrisD] Brie, Camembert, stange, so are they called in Danish as well
[17:05] [DLM] Swedish too
[17:05] [FlyBert] Cristian... if/when you do get your hands on gjetost, slice it THIN! Use a cheese plane.
[17:05] [Quaxo] I think they're called the same in all the world!
[17:05] [FlyBert] You want it almost transparent.
[17:05] [ChrisD] We even have a famous Camembert called HØNG
[17:06] [Tom] I have a vision of Daniel's next plane... a flying cheese wedge...
[17:06] [FlyBert] Once you love it, large hunks are fine. :)
[17:06] [DLM] :-D
[17:06] [Quaxo] Bob, yes, you already told me... Thin slices over bread, right?
[17:06] [ChrisD] That was the town where the factory was established.
[17:07] [FlyBert] It's really great put on something toasted... like an English muffin, which no one but Americans have evr heard of.
[17:07] [Quaxo] Anyway, we're used to "strong tasting" cheeses. When I went to England, I found that the cheeses had a number on them, telling the strenght of the taste; I always bought the strongest, and it was mild to me... ?!?
[17:07] [FlyBert] The heat of the bread/muffin melts it slightly... muy bueno!
[17:07] [ChrisD] Wrong, we can buy muffins at every Bakers shop in Denmark.
[17:07] [Tom] Wrong Bob... I used to buy them in London.
[17:07] [FlyBert] Excellent, Daniel.
[17:08] [FlyBert] But "English" muffins?
[17:08] [FlyBert] Not a regular muffin.
[17:08] [ChrisD] ??
[17:08] [FlyBert] OK, but in the past everyEuropean would say "HUNH?"
[17:08] [Tom] In a package much like you can buy in a store here.
[17:08] [Quaxo] Sorry, I don't even know what a "muffin" is...
[17:09] [FlyBert] In general, a muffin is like a small cake... about tennis ball in volume...
[17:09] [Tom] Kind of a cross between a biscuit & a bagel.
[17:09] [FlyBert] Not round, though.
[17:09] [Quaxo] So, it is sweet...?
[17:09] [DLM] Bob, thank you, but what was excellent?
[17:09] [FlyBert] You familiar with crumpets, Crisian?
[17:10] [Quaxo] Well Bob, I don't know... Never heard that word! Sorry... :)
[17:10] [Tom] In England, Bob, a crumpet is nasty slang.
[17:10] [FlyBert] Good question, Daniel. Lemme read back. :)
[17:10] [DLM] A small flat round of bread, baked on a griddle and usually served toasted.
[17:11] [DLM] Crumpet that is ;-)
[17:11] [Quaxo] Now I've understood... OK! But then, it isn't sweet...
[17:11] [FlyBert] Hmmm... the "excellent" was for the slightly-melted gjetost.
[17:11] [FlyBert] Meant "It is excellent, Daniel."
[17:11] [DLM] Ahh!
[17:12] [FlyBert] Slang, Tom?
[17:12] [FlyBert] Imagine taking like a pancake dough, but not so sweet, then dropping it into a steel ring on a platter.
[17:12] [Tom] Yeah... you go in a place and ask for "tea & crumpets" and all you will get is snickering...
[17:13] [FlyBert] The bottom comes out brown, and the to "bubbly".
[17:13] [Tom] They use crumpet in the sense of "get a bit of"... if you follow...
[17:13] [FlyBert] to = top
[17:13] [FlyBert] Wow. I always thought crumpet was an English word for the bread thingie, first and foremost!
[17:14] [FlyBert] I'd survive better in France than England! :)
[17:14] [Tom] Once was I'm sure... but you know how words get perverted.
[17:14] [FlyBert] Anyway, a crumpet is a lot like an English muffin.
[17:14] [Quaxo] I think I've understood... Even though we don't have these "exotic" foods here! We have white and black bread, bread with seeds even with olives, but that's almost it...
[17:14] [FlyBert] The English muffin doesn't have the "bubbly" side.
[17:15] [FlyBert] By bubbly I mean with holes formed by bubbling during cooking.
[17:15] [Tom] I like scones...
[17:15] [DLM] Easy to make
[17:15] [ChrisD] guess what in my dictionary crumpet is translated to tea-cake in Danish
[17:15] [FlyBert] Just bought some blueberry scones yesterday.
[17:15] [DLM] Mmmm
[17:15] [FlyBert] Egads... mom-to-bed time.
[17:16] [FlyBert] Back in about 30 minutes, folks!
[17:16] [Quaxo] Bye Bob, I don't think I'll be here then... See you!
[17:16] [Quaxo] It's getting late here too!
[17:16] [Tom] At the Western Washington State Fair the do wonderful scones... with FRESH raspberry jam!
[17:16] [ChrisD] see U some time soon.
[17:16] [FlyBert] OK, Cristian! I'll try toget to that mail, seriously!
[17:16] [FlyBert] Bye!
[17:17] [Quaxo] Don't rush Bob...! :)
[17:17] [DLM] Bye Bob!
[17:17] [FlyBert] Bye, all-who-won't-be-here-in-30-minutes! :)
[17:17] [Quaxo] :)
[17:17] [ChrisD] :-)
[17:17] [DLM] :-)
[17:17] [Tom] I'll be here... I think.
[17:18] [Quaxo] Nice, three smileys together... Mine doesn't have a nose though! :-D
[17:18] [ChrisD] finger troubles, maybe You need a new keyboard too? :-)
[17:19] [Quaxo] It's not "fingers troubles" - I always make smiling smileys that way... That's the way Avsim recognizes them!
[17:19] [Tom] A shame Daniel Biosca isn't here... this is about the time he gets going good.
[17:19] [ChrisD] ok, got it
[17:20] [Tom] AVSIM likes :) too.
[17:20] [Quaxo] Yes Tom, that's what I said... Without the nose!
[17:21] [Tom] Poor Daisy has a cold... bad cough... not good for a 15 year old puppy.
[17:21] [Quaxo] Poor Daisy, you must be careful with her, don't let her go out...
[17:22] [Quaxo] By the way, temperature has dropped here, we're 2 degrees below zero now...
[17:22] [Tom] She insists on going out... we don't leave her out long though.
[17:22] [DLM] we have 12 minus
[17:23] [Tom] That would be about +27 in F?
[17:23] [Quaxo] But you're used to that, I suppose! Where exactly do you live, Daniel?
[17:23] [Quaxo] Yes Tom, more or less...
[17:23] [DLM] Almost at the heart of Stockholm
[17:24] [ChrisD] just checked, we are at -4c now, it's overcast or it would have been -8c
[17:24] [DLM] Cristian, AVSIM supports both :-) and :) (i just confirmed it)
[17:24] [Tom] It was overcast here all day... which is unuaual in Colorado.
[17:25] [Quaxo] We're having some crystal clear days here, that's why it's so cold... (!)
[17:26] [Tom] Rare to have a day with no sunshine here... makes it tough when I go up to Tacoma... overcast is VERY common there.
[17:27] [DLM] Cristian, i guess there´s no carrots in the dirt at this time of the year?
[17:27] [Quaxo] To talk about FU3 again (at least for a little while)... I just got an email from Roland Wagener, saying that you can add AI to an airport just by adding a parking spot to it. He says he's trying that with Heathrow. Anyone of you knows for sure how this works?
[17:28] [Quaxo] Daniel, no carrots now... The only surviving vegetables are some artichokes (sp?)
[17:28] [Tom] I was just thinking... been a long time since I've been out of this country... a couple of day trips to BC... a couple of hours in Mexico in '85...
[17:29] [Tom] No... Allan or Chris Low would know.
[17:29] [Quaxo] Tom, what about a trip to Italy? Have you already seen Rome? I could show you some nice places...
[17:30] [DLM] The parking spot must be properly connected to a runway, using a few nodes on the way, i think that´s it.
[17:30] [Tom] That would be great... but not in the cards this year... I nearly got to Italy a couple of times when I was in the Navy.
[17:30] [Tom] Flew over it once.
[17:31] [DLM] Of course you would have to define the runway first...
[17:31] [Quaxo] Daniel, but then, will the planes go to other airports too? Or will they just do circuits?
[17:32] [Quaxo] Tom, have you been in the Navy? My father has been on a ship for 14 years, many times he practiced maneuvers with American Navy ships...
[17:32] [ChrisD] Folks, gotta go, I'we been here for 7 hours now. See U all some other time. Have a nice Sunday.
[17:33] [Tom] I was in the US Navy for 8 years... didn't spend a lot of time on ships... about 4 months total... and that on 3 different ships.
[17:33] [Quaxo] Bye Chris... See you soon! Nice to chat with you! :)
[17:33] [DLM] Bye Chris!
[17:33] [Tom] CU Chris... nice talking to you.
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[17:33] [DLM] You could have them go to other airports as long as they have the same parking spot and have that route set up in a file i can´t remember the name of right now
[17:34] [DLM] The airspace (classes) have to be set up as well
[17:34] [Quaxo] Hmm, seems like a rather complex thing to do... But might be worth a try when Robert finishes his Gatwick and Stansted airports!
[17:35] [Quaxo] Tom, is the logbot doing his job this time?
[17:35] [Quaxo] I mean, will we have a transcript?
[17:35] [DLM] Sorry, it has been some time since i last did it..i wish i could explain better!
[17:35] [Tom] No... I don't think it works anymore... hoping to get a log from IRC... from either mine or Bob's login.
[17:36] [Quaxo] I see... Too bad my page was cleared when I was kicked out...
[17:36] [DLM] Mine is looooooong
[17:37] [Quaxo] By the way, strange guy that "logbot"... Not much talkative, but he's very patient... I wonder why he chose that nickname! :-)
[17:37] [Tom] I have had problems in the past... that may have been on my old machine... Bob has been on for the past 4 hours...
[17:38] [Tom] brb
[17:39] [Quaxo] I've readlly got to go now... My mother started complaining THREE HOURS AGO about the next phone bill...
[17:40] [Tom] back
[17:40] [DLM] See you Cristian!
[17:40] [Quaxo] Daniel, if you want the UK discs, email me, and I'll send you the details...
[17:40] [DLM] Ok
[17:41] [DLM] Same goes for the cheese..
[17:41] [Quaxo] OK! :)
[17:41] [Quaxo] Goodnight everyone...
[17:41] [DLM] Goodnight!
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[17:42] [Tom] Goodnight Crist.... rats too late...
[17:49] [FlyBert] JUST missed him.
[17:49] [FlyBert] I'm back.
[17:49] [Tom] Just u n me I'm afraid...
[17:49] [FlyBert] DLM still listed...
[17:50] [Tom] Daniel said goodnight on another channel... but is still on...
[17:50] [DLM] I´m still here for a few more minutes (trying to save the chat)
[17:50] [FlyBert] Any idea where Rich_W (or was it M?) is from?
[17:51] [Tom] I dunno...
[17:51] [FlyBert] Chat is auto-saved if you have logging on.
[17:51] [Tom] Daniel figures to post it on his site instead of the library... want to send him yours?
[17:52] [Tom] If he can't get it that is.
[17:52] [FlyBert] Mine has 30+ minutes missing.
[17:52] [FlyBert] Otherwise, sure.
[17:52] [FlyBert] Is your logging on?
[17:52] [Tom] I'll check... I have had problems before... not sure on this system.
[17:53] [Tom] I'm chewing... kinda slow...
[17:53] [FlyBert] :)
[17:53] [FlyBert] I had a quick snack too... mom onlytakes about 20 minutes, actually.
[17:54] [Tom] I'm eating my dindin...
[17:54] [FlyBert] A couple of meatballs, some "spicy sesame noodles", which NEVER has sesame seeds.
[17:55] [FlyBert] (But probably LOADS of sodium.) :\
[17:55] [Tom] I gots hotdogs wrapped in cheese n crescent rolls...
[17:55] [FlyBert] Dem be good.
[17:55] [Tom] What is the folder for mIRC?
[17:56] [FlyBert] hang...
[17:56] [DLM] Okay guys no luck on saving the chat i am afraid :-( I really have to "tuck in" now! See you!
[17:56] [FlyBert] Daniel...
[17:56] [FlyBert] Hold it.
[17:56] [FlyBert] For the future, do this.
[17:56] [Tom] No joy on logs here...
[17:56] [DLM] ok
[17:57] [FlyBert] FILE/OPTIONS/IRC/LOGGING...
[17:57] [FlyBert] Set "Automatically log" to "BOTH".
[17:57] [Tom] file/options/irc/logging
[17:57] [Tom] didn't do anything
[17:57] [FlyBert] It will, in the future, put the whole chat on yer drive, with no effort from you.
[17:58] [DLM] Yepp i did that but no file?
[17:58] [FlyBert] Did that WHEN?
[17:58] [FlyBert] At the start?
[17:58] [DLM] Before you told me but after the chat
[17:58] [FlyBert] Gotta be BEFORE the chat... logs as you go.
[17:59] [DLM] Bad news then...
[17:59] [DLM] Do you have your logging set?
[17:59] [FlyBert] Well, I have all but the first 30 minutes (from "normal" start time.
[18:00] [Tom] Missing about 150 min from actual start.
[18:00] [FlyBert] If you turned it on (and exit Windows normally), it's now on forever.
[18:00] [FlyBert] Next chat will be auto-logged.
[18:00] [Tom] So can you pass it to Daniel?
[18:00] [FlyBert] Sure.
[18:00] [FlyBert] I'll e-mail you a DOC file, Daniel?
[18:01] *** Disconnected
Session Close: Sat Feb 15 18:01:14 2003

Session Start: Sat Feb 15 18:02:36 2003
Session Ident: #fu3
[18:02] *** Now talking in #fu3
[18:02] *** Topic is 'Chat about the great Flight Unlimited series '
[18:02] *** Set by biopak on Sat Feb 09 08:55:28
[18:02] [Tom] Huh?]
[18:02] [Essate] Gosh I love dial-up. :(
[18:02] [DLM] Thanks guys for a great chat! Bye!
[18:02] [Essate] [== FlyBert
[18:02] [Tom] Bob... you here twice?
[18:03] [Essate] DOC file OK, Daniel?
[18:03] [Essate] Er, do I have your e-mail address?
[18:04] [Essate] (He still here?)
[18:04] [Tom] I no know...
[18:04] [DLM] Essate, i rathere have it in a txt file. Sure you have my e-mail ;-)
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[18:04] [DLM] *rather*
[18:04] [Essate] OK, a TXT file is fine.
[18:04] [Essate] I hope it did log!
[18:04] [Essate] But it should have.
[18:04] [DLM] Thanks! Bye!
[18:04] [Tom] You know something guys? I haven't been bounced once this time!
[18:04] [Essate] Will send! Good night!
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